Curl in 5D using levi-civita tensor

In summary, the person is trying to generalize vector calculus to higher dimensions. Unfortunately, there is no universally accepted way (at least not that I'm aware of) to generalize the curl to higher dimensions so if someone uses this terminology you just have to check what definitions they are using.
  • #1
davi2686
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i really lost with this. i see two possibilities:

(1) something like,

[itex]\epsilon_{abc}\partial_{a}A_{b}e_{c}[/itex] with a,b,c between 1 and 5

or

(2)like that

[itex]\epsilon_{abcde}\partial_{a}A_{b}[/itex]

one of the options nears correct?

thank's a lot
 
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  • #2
Unfortunately there is no universally accepted way (at least not that I'm aware of) to generalize the curl to higher dimensions so if someone uses this terminology you just have to check what definitions they are using.

Probably the easiest framework to try and generalize vector calculus to higher dimensions is to use differential forms and the exterior derivative. To reproduce the standard 3-dimensional results, just use the obvious identifications of 1-forms and 2-forms with vector fields and then by simply doing the computations, it is immediate that
[itex] d:\Omega^0(\mathbb{R}^3) \to \Omega^1(\mathbb{R}^3) [/itex]
is the gradient,
[itex] d:\Omega^1(\mathbb{R}^3) \to \Omega^2(\mathbb{R}^3) [/itex]
is the curl, and
[itex] d:\Omega^2(\mathbb{R}^3) \to \Omega^3(\mathbb{R}^3) [/itex]
is the divergence.

The upshot is that this immediately generalizes to arbitrary dimensions since the exterior derivative is defined on any manifold and so you can think of these as being the analogs of the required operators. In this case, the "curl" is just the exterior derivative from 1-forms to 2-forms which is given in coordinates by
[itex] d\left( A_udx^u\right)=\frac{\partial A_u}{\partial x^\nu} dx^\nu \wedge dx^u [/itex]

However, if you are looking for an operator which takes two objects on a manifold and returns an object of the same type (ie. curl takes two vector fields and returns another vector field) then the exterior derivative alone won't work since it takes p-forms to (p+1)-forms. If you take the above formula for the exterior derivative on [itex] \mathbb{R}^3[/itex], and apply the hodge star operator you get a 1-form back and the components of the one form are precisely the components of the curl (if you are being very precise here, I am also using the isomorphism of one-forms and vector fields to make this statement). The Levi-Civita symbol appears precisely here since locally one can express the hodge star operator using it. However in higher dimensions, the Hodge star of a 2-form is an (n-2)-form not a 1-form so this construction does not yield an operator which takes in two 1-forms and returns another 1-form.

There are lots of things you can do to try and define your operator using the exterior derivative, hodge star and the musical isomorphisms (in fact I have seen some generalizations of the curl that even use a covariant derivative) however there is no standard way to define what you are looking for. So to answer your question you first need to tell us exactly what properties of the curl you want to preserve in the generalization so that we can get a well-defined object to work with.
 
  • #3
thanks buddy, I'll use your text as a starting point, I have to study much more, much more
 
  • #4
As an aside, generally you want repeated indices to be one upstairs and one downstairs to imply the summation (Einstein summation convention).
 
  • #5
No problem. If you want a book that goes over everything in my post in much more detail you could try the first section of "Gauge Fields, Knots and Gravity" by Baez and Muniain. It develops the basics of manifolds (although it leaves out a few proofs you can find in all the standard differential geometry books) with a view towards doing electrodynamics/gauge theory.
 

1. What is curl in 5D and how is it different from curl in 3D?

The curl in 5D is a mathematical operation used to calculate the rotation or circulation of a vector field in a five-dimensional space. It is similar to the curl in 3D, but it takes into account two additional spatial dimensions.

2. How is the Levi-Civita tensor used in calculating the curl in 5D?

The Levi-Civita tensor, also known as the permutation tensor, is used in the expression for the curl in 5D. It helps to define the direction of rotation in a five-dimensional space by assigning a value of +1 or -1 to each permutation of the coordinate axes.

3. Can the curl in 5D be visualized?

Yes, the curl in 5D can be visualized using mathematical tools such as vector fields and graphs. However, it may be difficult to conceptualize in our three-dimensional world as we are only able to perceive and visualize in three dimensions.

4. What are some real-world applications of the curl in 5D using Levi-Civita tensor?

The curl in 5D is used in various fields such as fluid dynamics, electromagnetism, and quantum mechanics. In fluid dynamics, it can be used to calculate the vorticity of a five-dimensional flow field. In electromagnetism, it is used to determine the electromagnetic field strength in a five-dimensional space. In quantum mechanics, the curl in 5D is used to describe the rotation of a wavefunction in a five-dimensional Hilbert space.

5. Are there any limitations or assumptions when using the curl in 5D with the Levi-Civita tensor?

The curl in 5D with the Levi-Civita tensor assumes that the five-dimensional space is continuous and differentiable. It may not be applicable in cases where the space is discrete or non-differentiable. Additionally, it may not accurately represent physical phenomena in higher-dimensional spaces that may exist in theories such as string theory or M-theory.

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