Feynmann diagram - positron representation

In summary, the conversation discusses the representation of positrons in feynman diagrams and their interpretation in quantum field theory. Originally, it was thought that positrons traveled backwards in time and represented negative energy solutions, but this was quickly realized to be incorrect. Dirac proposed the "hole theory" where positrons were seen as unoccupied negative energy levels, but this theory was also found to be flawed. The current understanding is that positrons are represented by positive energy states and the idea of them traveling backwards in time is incorrect. There are no negative energy states in the Hilbert space. There is a comprehensive source, a paper titled "Relativistic Quantum Mechanics of Fields" that discusses this topic in depth.
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Hello, this might be a basic question. In feynman diagram's we represent the positron as traveling backwards in time. Is that correct ? How do we interpret this ?
 
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prajor, Nothing travels backward in time, including positrons. Quantum field theory is carefully designed to preserve causality, which means that signals cannot propagate faster than light or into the past. The interpretation of antiparticles has been modified several times as we came to understand them better.

Originally it was thought that relativistic quantum mechanics would be described by a wavefunction φ(x, t) analogous to the Schrodinger wavefunction. As usual, what you do is Fourier transform φ and speak of plane waves, φ ~ exp(i(k·x - ωt)) But among these now are solutions with ω < 0. However they do not violate causality. On the contrary, including them is necessary to preserve causality.

Since the usual quantum interpretation is p = hk, E = hω, the first thought was that these states represented negative energy solutions. But the difficulty with this was quickly realized: any interaction would cause positive energy solutions to decay into negative energy ones, and consequently normal states including the vacuum state would be unstable.

So Dirac proposed his 'hole theory', in which the negative energy levels are fully occupied. The Pauli principle would prevent the transition of any more particles to those levels. In this theory the positron was seen as an unoccupied negative energy level. But hole theory is wrong. In the first place it only works for fermions. In the second place the fully occupied sea would result in the vacuum having infinite energy and infinite charge, with real physical consequences which are not observed.

Feynman's idea of positrons moving backwards in time was next, and while this, along with his diagram expansion, made his calculations much easier, it is wrong also.

Here's what we now understand. Relativistic quantum theory is not described by a wavefunction analogous to the Schrodinger wavefunction. The quantity φ(x, t) is an operator. Its negative frequency components do not represent negative energy particles, nor do they represent particles traveling backwards in time. There simply are no negative energy states. The Hilbert space does not contain them. What it contains instead are positive energy states for the antiparticles. The positive frequency terms in φ are particle creation operators, and the mysterious negative frequency terms are antiparticle annihilation operators. Feynman's idea was right in that the amplitudes for electron emission and positron absorption are related. But in such a case the positron does not travel to the past, it comes from it.
 
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Bill, thanks a lot for the elaborate answer. That really helps.

BTW, may I know if there is a comprehensive source (book / site) covering other areas, leading to the current understanding as you explained ?
 

What is a Feynmann diagram?

A Feynmann diagram is a visual representation of particle interactions in quantum field theory. It uses lines and vertices to show how particles interact with each other.

What is the positron representation in a Feynmann diagram?

In a Feynmann diagram, a positron is represented by an arrow pointing backwards in time. This convention was introduced by Richard Feynmann, who used it to represent the antiparticle of the electron.

Why are Feynmann diagrams important in particle physics?

Feynmann diagrams are important because they provide a way to visualize and calculate the probability of particle interactions. They are also used in theoretical calculations to understand the behavior of particles in different physical situations.

How are Feynmann diagrams used in experiments?

In experiments, Feynmann diagrams are used to interpret and analyze the results of particle collisions. By comparing the predicted diagrams with the actual data, scientists can validate or refine their theories about particle interactions.

Are there any limitations to using Feynmann diagrams?

While Feynmann diagrams are a useful tool, they also have limitations. They only represent a limited number of possible interactions and do not take into account quantum effects such as virtual particles. Additionally, they cannot fully describe interactions involving strong nuclear forces, which require more complex diagrams.

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