Prove that a normed space is not Banach

In summary, the conversation is discussing a problem about a normed space with an uncountable Hamel basis and proving that it is not a Banach space. The solution proposed involves using Baire's theorem and creating a finite dimensional closed subspace, but there are concerns about the validity of this proof as the exercise does not specify a particular space. The conversation ends with a question about how to prove that a closed subspace of an undefined space is equal to the space itself.
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russel
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Hello everyone,
I have a problem and cannot solve it. Could you help? Here it is
We have a normed space and an uncountable Hamel basis of it. Prove that it is not a Banach space.
Should I use Baire theorem? Any suggestions?
 
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You're not giving us much information to work with. If you want to show something not Banach, then try to find a Cauchy sequence which does not converge.
There are other ways to prove this of course. A lot depends on the space in question.
 
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You must have a particular space in mind that you didn't specify. An infinite dimensional Banach space necessarily has an uncountable Hamel basis so your result is not general. You need to show that your space is not complete. What is your space?
 
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The exercise does not refer to a particular space. It is just a normed space X with an uncountable Hamel basis. A solution I came up with was to make a finite dimension closed subspace and show using baire that it is X, leading to a contadiction.
If the problem gave us a space for this example which one would that be?
 
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Could you quote the exercise exactly as it was given??
 
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russel said:
The exercise does not refer to a particular space. It is just a normed space X with an uncountable Hamel basis. A solution I came up with was to make a finite dimension closed subspace and show using baire that it is X, leading to a contadiction.
If the problem gave us a space for this example which one would that be?

But, how could you prove that a closed subspace of an undefined space equals the space itself?
 
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Also notice that a finite dimensional normed space is always Banach, so your proof is likely incorrect.
 

1. What is a normed space?

A normed space is a mathematical structure that consists of a vector space and a norm, which is a function that assigns a non-negative length or size to each vector in the space. It is a generalization of the concept of length, which is commonly used in geometry and physics.

2. What is a Banach space?

A Banach space is a complete normed space, meaning that every Cauchy sequence (a sequence where the terms get arbitrarily close to each other) in the space has a limit in the space. This ensures that the space is "filled in" and there are no missing points.

3. How can a normed space fail to be Banach?

A normed space can fail to be Banach if there exist Cauchy sequences in the space that do not have a limit in the space. This can happen if the space is not "complete" in some sense, such as having missing points or not being large enough to contain all possible Cauchy sequences.

4. Can you give an example of a normed space that is not Banach?

Yes, the space of continuous functions on a closed interval [a,b], denoted by C[a,b], is a normed space with the norm ||f|| = max{|f(x)| : x in [a,b]}. However, this space is not Banach because there exist Cauchy sequences of continuous functions that do not converge to a continuous function in the space. One such sequence is the sequence of polynomials that converge to the function f(x) = |x| on [-1,1].

5. Why is it important to prove that a normed space is not Banach?

Proving that a normed space is not Banach is important because it helps us understand the limitations of the space and how it differs from a complete space. It also allows us to identify the specific properties that are lacking in the space, which can then be studied and potentially remedied. Additionally, this proof may be necessary in order to apply certain theorems or techniques that require a Banach space.

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