Differntiating natural logs of x and y functions

In summary, to find expressions for dy/dx in terms of x and y, you can use implicit differentiation and the chain rule. In this specific problem, you need to multiply the derivative of the bracket to the expression you have found.
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bob4000
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i have a question I'm attempting as extra work, I have tried the usual method but no luck... find expressionsf for dy/dx in terms of x and y:

ln(x^2+1) + ln(y+1) = x +y
 
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Do you know how to do implicit differentiation?
 
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yes, that's the method i tried, but i get the wrong answer
 
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If you show your working we'll try to correct you.
 
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dy/dx - 1/ x^2 +1 + 1 / y+1.dy/dx = 1 + dy/dx

=1 /x^2+1 - 1 = dy/dx(1-1/y+1)

dy/dx = (x^2 + 1)^-1 - 1/ 1- (y+1)^-1
 
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Remember [tex] \frac{d}{dx} \ln(x^2 +1) \neq \frac{1}{x^2+1} [/tex]

You need to use the chain rule to get the proper derivative.
 
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Jeff Ford said:
Remember [tex] \frac{d}{dx} \ln(x^2 +1) \neq \frac{1}{x^2+1} [/tex]

You need to use the chain rule to get the proper derivative.

Yes you need to multiply this by the derivative of the bracket :smile:
 

What is the formula for differentiating natural logs of x and y functions?

The formula for differentiating natural logs of x and y functions is d/dx(ln(x)) = 1/x and d/dy(ln(y)) = 1/y.

What is the difference between differentiating natural logs of x and y functions and other logarithmic functions?

The difference is that the derivative of natural logs of x and y functions is 1/x and 1/y, whereas the derivative of other logarithmic functions involves using the chain rule.

Can natural logs of x and y functions be differentiated using the power rule?

No, the power rule cannot be used to differentiate natural logs of x and y functions. Instead, the formula d/dx(ln(x)) = 1/x and d/dy(ln(y)) = 1/y should be used.

Is it possible to differentiate natural logs of x and y functions with respect to a different variable?

Yes, it is possible to differentiate natural logs of x and y functions with respect to a different variable. The formulas d/dx(ln(x)) = 1/x and d/dy(ln(y)) = 1/y can be used for any variable.

How can natural logs of x and y functions be used in real-life situations?

Natural logs of x and y functions are commonly used in finance, biology, and physics. For example, in finance, natural logs are used to calculate compound interest and in biology, natural logs are used to model population growth. In physics, natural logs are used to model radioactive decay.

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