Force needed to keep block from moving on frictionless triangular block

In summary, the conversation is about a problem involving a small block resting on a sloping triangular block on a horizontal table. The goal is to determine the force needed to keep the small block in a fixed position relative to the triangular block. The correct approach involves finding the normal reaction force and its horizontal component.
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Homework Statement


This is straight from the book.

A small block of mass m rests on the sloping side of a triangular block of mass M which itself rests on a horizontal table as shown in Fig. 4-50. Assuming all surfaces are frictionless, determine the force F that must be applied to M so that m remains in a fixed position relative to M (that is, m doesn't move on the incline).

Chapter4problem53.jpg

(I forgot to draw the surface the triangular block is on and sorry for the big picture!)

The answer is:
(m + M) [tex]\ast[/tex] g[tex]\ast[/tex] tan([tex]\phi[/tex])


Homework Equations


Force along the x-axis: m [tex]\ast[/tex] g [tex]\ast[/tex] sin([tex]\phi[/tex])
Force along the y-axis: m [tex]\ast[/tex] g [tex]\ast[/tex] cos([tex]\phi[/tex])

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that there must be an equal and opposite force along the incline but I have no clue how to approach this problem.
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi Strukus! Welcome to PF! :smile:
Strukus said:
Force along the x-axis: m [tex]\ast[/tex] g [tex]\ast[/tex] sin([tex]\phi[/tex])
Force along the y-axis: m [tex]\ast[/tex] g [tex]\ast[/tex] cos([tex]\phi[/tex])

No, that's the wrong approach …

only one of those equations is correct …

start again … you know the vertical acceleration of m is zero, so what is N (the normal reaction force ) …

and then what is the horizontal component of N? :smile:
 
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I would approach this problem by first identifying the forces acting on the system and then using the principles of Newton's laws of motion to find the necessary force to keep the block from moving. The forces acting on the system are the weight of the block (m), the weight of the triangular block (M), and the applied force (F). Since the surfaces are frictionless, there is no friction force to consider.

Next, I would draw a free body diagram to visually represent the forces acting on the system. This would help me to clearly see the direction and magnitude of each force.

To keep the block (m) from moving, the net force on it must be zero. This means that the force F applied to the triangular block (M) must be equal in magnitude and opposite in direction to the weight of the block (m). Using the equations provided, we can calculate the weight of the block (m) along the x-axis and y-axis. Then, we can set the equation for the force along the y-axis equal to the weight of the block (m) along the y-axis and solve for F.

In summary, the force needed to keep the block from moving on the frictionless triangular block is equal to the weight of the block (m) along the y-axis, which can be calculated using the given equations. This approach follows the principles of Newton's laws of motion and allows for a systematic and scientific solution to the problem.
 

1. What is a frictionless triangular block?

A frictionless triangular block is a hypothetical object that has no frictional forces acting upon it when it is in contact with another object. This means that there is no resistance to motion when the block is sliding or moving on a surface.

2. How is the force needed to keep a block from moving on a frictionless triangular block calculated?

The force needed to keep a block from moving on a frictionless triangular block can be calculated using the formula F = m*a, where F is the force, m is the mass of the block, and a is the acceleration. In this case, since the block is not moving, the acceleration is equal to 0, so the force needed is also equal to 0.

3. Is the force needed to keep a block from moving on a frictionless triangular block always 0?

Yes, the force needed to keep a block from moving on a frictionless triangular block is always 0. This is because there is no frictional force acting on the block, so there is no opposing force to counteract the force applied to the block.

4. Can a block ever truly be on a frictionless triangular block?

No, a block can never truly be on a frictionless triangular block in real life. This is because there will always be some amount of friction between two surfaces, no matter how smooth they may seem. However, for the sake of theoretical calculations, a frictionless triangular block can be used as a simplification.

5. How does the shape of the block affect the force needed to keep it from moving on a frictionless triangular block?

The shape of the block does not affect the force needed to keep it from moving on a frictionless triangular block. This is because the force needed is dependent on the mass and acceleration of the block, not its shape. However, the shape of the block may affect the distribution of weight and the contact surface area, which can impact the frictional force acting on the block.

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