Why can't time-varying EM fields exist in a perfect conductor?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of time-varying electromagnetic fields in conductors and how it relates to solving electromagnetic wave problems. The confusion arises when trying to apply this concept to a transformer with an iron core, where the changing current creates a changing magnetic field. However, due to the high conductivity of iron, it was believed that no electromagnetic field should exist within it. The explanation for this is the skin effect, which causes the magnetic field to rapidly decrease with penetration into the iron. This is why transformers are made with laminated iron cores, to reduce eddy currents and increase the amount of flux carried.
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I understand that according to Maxwell's equations time-varying EM fields cannot exist in a perfect conductor (but static magnetic fields can). Also if you have a time-varying magnetic field you also have time-varying electric field and vice versa. And this knowledge is used to solve EM wave problems by fixing boundary conditions between conductor and dielectric mediums.

However, I get confused/baffled when I try to apply this boundary condition (that time-varying EM fields cannot exist in a conductor) to a transformer with iron core. I understand that a changing current creates a changing magnetic field (by Ampere's law?), which I assume is equivalent to a time-varying magnetic field, in the iron core.

Now, since the core is a good conductor shouldn't there be no EM field within it? But then, this would imply no time-varying flux within the iron core and transformer cannot work, which is obviously not true. Could someone kindly help me reconcile these two examples? Where did I go wrong? Thanks in advance.
 
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In iron, the magnetic field falls off rapidly with penetration so that
[tex] |B|=\mu H_0 \exp[-z/2\delta][/tex], where
[tex]\delta=c/\sqrt{8\pi\mu\sigma\omega}[/tex] (in gaussian units) is the
"skin depth". An integral of this B gives the flux.
 
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Pam, thank you. Your answer may explain why the transformers are made of laminated iron cores. I just assumed the lamination was to reduce eddy currents but I guess it also is a way to get around skin effect of single core to carry more flux. One more thing, within the skin depth, the time varying E field exists also, right? I guess making transformers with superconductor cores may not be a good idea.
 
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pam said:
In iron, the magnetic field falls off rapidly with penetration so that
[tex] |B|=\mu H_0 \exp[-z/2\delta][/tex], where
[tex]\delta=c/\sqrt{8\pi\mu\sigma\omega}[/tex] (in gaussian units) is the
"skin depth". An integral of this B gives the flux.

Pam,
You make a good point about the problem with iron. Because of this, most transformer and motor laminations are made of silicon steel (often grain oriented), or cobalt alloys, or nickel alloys which, among other benefits, significantly raise the resistivity of the metal.
 

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