Some confusion about Ballentine Sec 3.3 Generators of Gallilei Groups

In summary, the conversation discusses the author's struggle with understanding the derivation of the multiples of identity for the commutators of generators in Quantum Mechanics. They suggest that Ballentine's explanation is not very clear and provide their own interpretation. They also mention Weinberg's book on Quantum Field Theory and the concept of central charges in a Lie algebra. The conversation concludes by discussing the use of SU(2) instead of SO(3) to eliminate the additional constant in the commutation relations.
  • #1
jbergman
339
141
I am trying to do some self-study and plow through Ballentine's book on Quantum Mechanics. I thought I was following the majority of it until I got to Sec. 3.3, in particular the derivation of the multiples of identity for the commutators of these generators.

For example, the commutator of two rotations is given as

[tex][J_\alpha,J_\beta]=i\epsilon_{\alpha\beta\gamma}J_\gamma + i\epsilon_{\alpha\beta\gamma}b_\gamma I[/tex]

He then states that one can redefine the phase of certain vectors to transform the phase term to 0 and does so with the substitutions

[tex]J_\alpha + b_\alpha I \rightarrow J_\alpha[/tex]

leading to

[tex][J_\alpha,J_\beta]=i\epsilon_{\alpha\beta\gamma}J_\gamma[/tex]

I feel I am missing something key in what is going on here because I am not understanding why one can't just arbitrarily say the extra phase piece in the first equation is just 0 by setting [tex]b_\gamma = 0[/tex]. Where are these phase differences coming from that one needs to change your generator as Ballentine does?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
I agree that Ballentine is not very clear about the logic of what's going on. The idea is this: In quantum mechanics we want to assign an unitary operator [itex]U_g[/itex] to each space-time transformation [itex]g[/itex]. However, we can notice that two unitary operators differing by a unimodular constant [itex]U_g[/itex] and [itex]\alpha U_g[/itex] are physically equivalent, so there is a great freedom in choosing unitary representatives of space-time transformations. In terms of Hermitian representatives of generators of space-time transformations, this means that one can add arbitrary constants to such representatives without modifying the theory.

This arbitrariness is not a big problem. We can simply choose these arbitrary constants as we like (e.g., zeros). The only inconvenience is that commutators of these chosen Hermitrian generators may not necessarily repeat the commutation relations of the Galilei Lie algebra. It is possible that right hand sides of commutators contain additional constants as shown in eqs. (3.14) - (3.24) in Ballentine's book.

Then the idea is to choose better representatives of Galilei generators to get rid of these inconvenient additional constants on the right hand sides of commutation relations. These better representatives are obtained by adding constants to our originally chosen operators.
 
  • #3
Thanks for this clarification. After reading your post and rereading the section its becoming clearer.
 
  • #4
There's a thorough and rather no too technical discussion in the second chapter of Weinberg's QFT book on central charges in a Lie algebra and how they can be made to disappear for the Poincare Lie algebra.
 
  • #5
I think the key is to understand that when you rewrite the left-hand side of (3.11) as a single exponential, (3.7) says that you have to include an ω. This ω is what shows up as the b's in the first equation you posted. But you have probably realized this already.

Wigner's theorem guarantees that (3.7) must hold, but it doesn't say that ω is non-zero for all symmetry groups, or anything like that. You can think of what we're doing here as an investigation of whether we can take an arbitrary ω and eliminate it by suitable redefinitions of the generators. We are only partially successful in this case. We can eliminate the b's from the commutation relations, and this constrains ω to only take values that make exp(iω)±1, but we're not getting rid of the -1 so easily. That can be traced back to the fact that the rotation group SO(3) isn't simply connected.

I haven't actually studied this section of Ballentine yet, so I don't know if this is what he does, but you can actually get rid of the -1, by throwing out SO(3) and choosing to consider SU(2) instead. It makes sense to do this, because the quantum theory with SU(2) as the symmetry group is essentially the same as the quantum theory with SO(3) as the symmetry group. There's a good discussion about this in Weinberg's book. ("The quantum theory of fields", vol. 1, chapter 2).

SU(2) is homeomorphic* to a 3-sphere, and is therefore simply connected. SO(3) is homeomorphic to a 3-sphere with opposite points identified, so there's a 2-1 correspondence between members of SU(2) and members of SO(3).

*) X is said to be homeomorphic to Y if there exists a continuous bijection f:X→Y that has a continuous inverse.
 

1. What is Ballentine Sec 3.3 in the context of physics?

Ballentine Sec 3.3 refers to a section in the book "Quantum Mechanics: A Modern Development" by Leslie E. Ballentine. This section discusses the generators of the Galilei group, which is a mathematical group used to describe the symmetries and transformations of physical systems in classical mechanics.

2. What are generators in the context of the Galilei group?

In the Galilei group, generators are the mathematical operators that represent the symmetries and transformations of physical systems. These operators can be used to relate the coordinates and momenta of a system in different reference frames.

3. What is the significance of the Galilei group in physics?

The Galilei group is important in classical mechanics because it allows us to describe the symmetries and transformations of physical systems. This group is also the basis for the more general group used in special relativity, the Poincaré group.

4. What are some examples of generators in the Galilei group?

Some examples of generators in the Galilei group include the Hamiltonian operator, which represents the total energy of a system, and the momentum operator, which represents the linear momentum of a system.

5. How does understanding the generators of the Galilei group help us understand physical systems?

By understanding the generators of the Galilei group, we can better understand the symmetries and transformations of physical systems. This allows us to make predictions and calculations about the behavior of these systems, which is crucial in physics research and applications.

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
756
Replies
4
Views
997
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
8
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
3K
Replies
16
Views
1K
Replies
6
Views
22K
  • Special and General Relativity
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • Set Theory, Logic, Probability, Statistics
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • Advanced Physics Homework Help
Replies
19
Views
3K
Back
Top