Solving Navier-Stokes for Pressure in 1D

In summary, the conversation discusses how to solve Navier-Stokes equations when there is pressure variation, and how this can be difficult due to pressure being non-local and due to the Burgers equation being more interesting.
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stanley.st
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Hello, I have Navier stokes in 1D

[tex]\rho\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}+u\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\right)=-\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}+\mu\frac{\partial^2u}{\partial x^2}[/tex]

Condition of imcompressibility gives

[tex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}=0[/tex]

So I have Navier stokes

[tex]\rho\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}=-\frac{\partial p}{\partial x}+\mu\frac{\partial^2u}{\partial x^2}[/tex]

How to find pressure p(x,t)?
 
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To start, if [itex] \frac{\partial u}{\partial x} = 0 [/itex], then what is [itex] \frac{\partial^2 u}{\partial x^2} = \frac{\partial}{\partial x} \left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\right) [/itex]?

You still need some information about [itex]\frac{\partial u}{\partial t}[/itex] to solve for [itex]p(x, t)[/itex], however. What is the problem you're trying to solve?
 
  • #3
Thank you so much. I have no specific problem to solve. I wanted to find general solution of NS in 1D. What is an example of such information?
 
  • #4
if you also neglect the time-dependency, the problem reduces to that of Couette flow. The equation can be integrated twice to get a solution in terms of the unknown pressure gradient.

Also note, as hinted before, that you cannot use the incompressibility assumption like that because you now imply that the velocity is a constant (but time-varying). First use the incompressibility equation on the 2D or 3D equation, and then reduce to 1D.

If you keep the nonlinear term but neglect the pressure gradient, you get the Burgers equation, which is a much more interesting problem to study.
 
  • #5
Thank you ! Navier-Stokes without pressure? It is strange, because in order to get particles move, we have to include pressure considerations. How would you interpretate that ?
 
  • #6
stanley.st said:
Thank you ! Navier-Stokes without pressure? It is strange, because in order to get particles move, we have to include pressure considerations. How would you interpretate that ?

When the pressure is (nearly) constant, you can neglect the pressure gradients.
This is the case for (Couette) flow between two flat plates where one of the plates is moving and causing the flow motion.

The Burgers equation is mostly used to study shock waves.
 
  • #7
The inclusion of pressure in the equation causes additional mathematical difficulties because pressure is non-local. Also, the derivation of the time dependent NS through variation assumes that time is stationary and in effect it is questionable whether it is present as a dynamical variable or a parameter. Moreover, since it describes fields it should display some form of gauge invariance which is still under investigation and its relationship with any form of Noether's theorem is at best weak.
 

1. What is Navier-Stokes equation?

Navier-Stokes equation is a set of mathematical equations that describe the motion of a fluid. It takes into account the effects of viscosity, pressure, and acceleration on the fluid's velocity and is used to solve various fluid flow problems in engineering and science.

2. What is the significance of solving Navier-Stokes equation for pressure in 1D?

Solving Navier-Stokes equation for pressure in 1D allows for the analysis of fluid flow in a simplified system, such as a straight pipe. It is a fundamental step in understanding more complex fluid dynamics problems and is often used as the basis for developing numerical methods for solving more complex problems.

3. How is Navier-Stokes equation solved for pressure in 1D?

Navier-Stokes equation is typically solved using numerical methods, such as the finite difference method or the finite element method. These methods involve dividing the fluid domain into smaller sections and using iterative calculations to approximate the solution for pressure at each point in the domain.

4. What are the applications of solving Navier-Stokes equation for pressure in 1D?

Solving Navier-Stokes equation for pressure in 1D has many practical applications, including analyzing flow in pipes and ducts, designing HVAC systems, and understanding blood flow in arteries. It is also used in the development of new technologies, such as aircraft design and engine optimization.

5. Are there any limitations to solving Navier-Stokes equation for pressure in 1D?

While solving Navier-Stokes equation for pressure in 1D is a useful tool, it does have its limitations. It assumes that the flow is one-dimensional and does not take into account the effects of turbulence or other complex flow phenomena. In some cases, it may be necessary to use more advanced techniques to accurately model fluid flow.

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