The Fundamental Relation of Thermodynamics

In summary: However, if we added a third system that was not identical to the first two, then adding it would lead to a doubling of the internal energy. This is because the new system has a different interaction energy with the other two. Hence, U is not completely described by S, V and N, and in this case Euler's theorem does not apply.
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What does it mean to say that the fundamental relation of thermodynamics is homogeneous first-order?

I struggle with the abstraction of mathematical definitions and, I'm really seeking more to understand the relation of the physical variables of thermodynamics.

Why are all of the variables interdependent by a linear relationship? Or, is it incorrect to say such a thing?

Is it because, you look at the change in every variable as a function of the changes of every other variable?

Please know, the time and assistance of all those who respond is deeply appreciated. Sincere thanks.

M.
 
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Homogeneous first-order is just a description of the differential equation. If you've taken differential equation you'll be familiar with what the ideas are (though you may have forgotten their names). If you haven't taken differential equations then it would behoove you to read the first chapter of a differential equations text.
 
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A function f(x,y) is first-order homogeneous if the following holds:

[tex]f(\lambda x, \lambda y) = \lambda f(x,y)[/tex]

Linear functions are first-order homogeneous, but they are not the only possibility. Consider the function

[tex]f(x,y) = \sqrt{x^2 + y^2}[/tex]

This function is also first-order homogeneous. You should be able to come up with additional examples.

The reason first-order homogeneous functions turn up in thermodynamics is that we choose to write the equations in terms of all the "extensive" thermodynamic quantities. Extensive quantities are additive, by definition. For example, when you double the volume of a system, the entropy and energy also double. This allows us to write

[tex]E = E(S, V)[/tex]

where E is a first-order homogeneous function. Using this fact, the differential equation may be solved using Euler's theorem.
 
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Edit: Ben Niehoff beat me to the punch. Everything I said he basically already said. :redface:

Monocles said:
Homogeneous first-order is just a description of the differential equation. If you've taken differential equation you'll be familiar with what the ideas are (though you may have forgotten their names). If you haven't taken differential equations then it would behoove you to read the first chapter of a differential equations text.

Isn't it obnoxious when somebody, instead of giving you a quick answer plus possible references, they tell you to just go read a general reference? It's even worse when they are absolutely wrong. :rolleyes:

The fundamental equation of thermodynamics is when you are able to get the internal energy (or the entropy) as a function of the other extensive parameters. Only then is ALL thermodynamics information about a system known. Mathematically:

U = U(S, V, Ni)

The fact that the fundamental equation is a homogeneous FUNCTION of first-order (different front a homogeneous differential equation of first-order) means that:

aU(S, V, Ni) = U(aS, aV, aNi)

where a is some constant.

In general, a function is homogeneous of n-th order if:

anf(x1, x2, ..., xm) = f(anx1, anx2, ..., anxm)

Note that my definition of the fundamental equation differs from the definition of Count Iblis. What he calls the fundamental equation, I usually see termed as "the combined first and second law". The solution of this equation, however, yields the fundamental equation.
 
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The equation:

dU = T dS - P dV

is called the "fundamental thermodynamic relation" by F. Reif. The equation:

U = TS - P V + mu_1 N_1 + mu_2 N_2 + ..

is called the "fundamental equation" or "fundamental relation" in some books.


Thing is that dU = T dS - P dV is more fundamental than the other equation, because this is also valid (for fixed N_i and other generalized forces) when the system is not extensive. Suppose the system is completely described by S, V and N, then we have:

dU = T dS - P dV + mu dN

Then, as Ben Niehoff and cmos explain, U assumed to be homogeneous means that we assume that increasing S, V and N by a factor p will make U increase by a factor p. Euler's theorem, mentioned by Ben above implies that U(S, V, N) can be expressed as:

U(S, V, N) = T S - P V + mu N

So, when would this not be valid (apart from the trivial case when ther are other types of particles that have not been included)?
Consider e.g. a system of particles that interact with each other via long range interactions e.g. gravity. Then, combining two identical system would certainly not lead to a doubling of the internal energy.
 

1. What is the fundamental relation of thermodynamics?

The fundamental relation of thermodynamics is a mathematical equation that expresses the relationship between the different thermodynamic variables, such as temperature, pressure, and entropy, of a system in equilibrium.

2. Why is the fundamental relation of thermodynamics important?

The fundamental relation of thermodynamics is important because it allows us to understand and predict the behavior of a thermodynamic system. It also serves as a basis for many other thermodynamic equations and principles.

3. How is the fundamental relation of thermodynamics derived?

The fundamental relation of thermodynamics is derived from the first and second laws of thermodynamics, along with the concept of entropy. It is a result of the combination of these fundamental principles.

4. What are the variables in the fundamental relation of thermodynamics?

The variables in the fundamental relation of thermodynamics are usually the internal energy (U), entropy (S), and volume (V). However, depending on the specific system, other variables such as temperature, pressure, and chemical potential may also be included.

5. How does the fundamental relation of thermodynamics relate to real-world systems?

The fundamental relation of thermodynamics is a fundamental principle that applies to all thermodynamic systems, whether they are simple or complex. It allows us to make quantitative predictions about the behavior of real-world systems, such as engines, refrigerators, and chemical reactions.

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