Is the lagrangian always K.E-PE?

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In summary, the Lagrangian for a charged particle in a vector potential represents the kinetic and potential energy, with the additional term of the interaction energy between the particle and the vector potential. However, this interaction energy disappears in the Hamiltonian due to it being a conservative force.
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Is the lagrangian always K.E-PE?
I don't think so?
so WHAT REALLY is the physical significance of the lagrangian?
Superficially it appears to be KE-PE,but the lagrangian for a charged particle in a vector potential is 1/2MV.V +qV.A-qW.
where V=velocity
A=vector potential
W=Scalar potential.
If the hamiltonion for the above lagrangian is calculated it turns out to be 1/2MV.V+qW.
So what does the term eV.A represent?
It appears to be the interaction energy.
But why does it dissapaer in the hamiltonion.
 
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The term qV.A represents the interaction energy between the particle and the vector potential, which is also known as the Lorentz force. It disappears in the Hamiltonian because it is a conservative force and its work done is zero. Therefore, it does not contribute to the energy of the system.
 
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The Lagrangian, in general, is not always equal to the sum of kinetic and potential energy. It is important to note that the Lagrangian is a mathematical quantity used in the field of classical mechanics to describe the dynamics of a system. Its physical significance lies in its ability to describe the equations of motion of a system in terms of generalized coordinates and their derivatives, rather than in terms of forces and accelerations.

In the case of a charged particle in a vector potential, the Lagrangian does not represent just the kinetic and potential energy, but also includes the interaction energy between the particle and the electromagnetic field. This interaction energy is represented by the term eV.A in the Lagrangian, where e is the charge of the particle, V is its velocity, and A is the vector potential. This term is not included in the Hamiltonian because it is not a conserved quantity and therefore does not contribute to the equations of motion.

The physical significance of the Lagrangian lies in its ability to describe the dynamics of a system in a more elegant and compact way, using generalized coordinates and their derivatives. It allows for a deeper understanding of the underlying physical principles governing the behavior of a system. Therefore, the Lagrangian is a powerful tool for scientists and engineers in a variety of fields, from classical mechanics to quantum field theory.
 

1. What is the Lagrangian?

The Lagrangian is a mathematical function used in classical mechanics to describe the dynamics of a system. It is defined as the difference between the kinetic energy and the potential energy of a system.

2. What is the relationship between the Lagrangian and kinetic energy and potential energy?

The Lagrangian is always equal to the difference between the kinetic energy and potential energy of a system. This means that it represents the total energy of the system at any given time.

3. Is the Lagrangian always equal to the kinetic energy minus the potential energy?

Yes, the Lagrangian is always equal to the kinetic energy minus the potential energy. This is known as the "principle of least action" and is a fundamental concept in classical mechanics.

4. Can the Lagrangian be negative?

Yes, the Lagrangian can be negative. This happens when the potential energy of a system is greater than the kinetic energy, meaning that the total energy of the system is negative.

5. Can the Lagrangian be zero?

Yes, the Lagrangian can be zero. This occurs when the kinetic energy and potential energy of a system are equal, resulting in a total energy of zero. This is known as the "principle of stationary action" and is used to determine the equations of motion for a system.

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