Gaussian Surface: Vector ds Confusion Help Needed

In summary, the conversation discusses the proper calculation of flux through a Gaussian surface, emphasizing that the vector dS must always be perpendicular to the surface and outward from a closed surface. The conversation also clarifies that for a cylinder, the radial vector should be used for dS, and the electric field lines would run parallel to the surface. The conversation ends with the individual expressing their appreciation for the helpful explanations.
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folks,
in my attached image, why can't i take the vector ds as indicated by me in pencil. i am confused. help will be greatly appreciated.
 

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dS must always be perpendicular to the surface, and outward from a closed surface. Your arrows on the end caps are parallel to the end caps, not perpendicular.
 
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It is often glossed over in calculations like these that you actually have to calculate the flux through every side of a Gaussian surface. There are three 'different' surfaces in this case. The two caps and the cylinder itself. The vector [itex]d\vec{s}[/itex] is always perpendicular to the surface. For the two caps this means you have to draw them as they are drawn in the picture. The directions are of course reversed.

For the cilinder the vector [itex]d\vec{s}[/itex] is the one you have drawn, the radial vector. This one is perpendicular to the surface of the cylinder at any point. The reason why this one usually doesn't get drawn or taken into account is that the electric field is perpendicular to ds in this case, which means [itex] \vec{E} \cdot d\vec{s}=0[/itex].
 
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What they said.

The electric field lines would all be horizontal pointing to the right on the right side of the sheet, and pointing left on the left side. So no E field lines would "penetrate" the curved part (cylinder) of your chosen Guassian surface, they would all run parallel to it.
 
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Thanks a lot friends. I visited so many sites but could not get the answer. This proves that this site is full of brains. Thanks again...
 

1. What is a Gaussian surface?

A Gaussian surface is an imaginary surface used in Gauss's law for electric fields. It is a closed surface that is used to simplify calculations of electric fields by assuming that the electric field is constant over the surface.

2. How is a Gaussian surface different from a regular surface?

A Gaussian surface is an imaginary surface used for calculations, while a regular surface is a physical surface. Gaussian surfaces are used to simplify calculations, while regular surfaces are used to describe the physical nature of an object.

3. What is the significance of using a Gaussian surface in Gauss's law?

Gaussian surfaces are used in Gauss's law because they simplify the calculations of electric fields. By assuming that the electric field is constant over the surface, the integral in Gauss's law becomes much easier to solve.

4. How do you choose the shape and size of a Gaussian surface?

The choice of shape and size of a Gaussian surface depends on the symmetry of the electric field being studied. The surface must be chosen in a way that the electric field is constant over the surface and the angle between the electric field and the surface is either 0 or 90 degrees at every point.

5. Can a Gaussian surface be used for magnetic fields?

No, Gaussian surfaces are only used in calculations for electric fields. For magnetic fields, a similar concept called the Ampere's law is used, but instead of Gaussian surfaces, Amperian loops are used to simplify the calculations.

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