Conservation of Momentum: Falling object

In summary, the conservation of momentum is always upheld, whether an object is rolling down a ramp or not.
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FZX Student
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Does a ball falling to Earth violate conservation of momentum?
 
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Ask yourself:
Under what conditions will the momentum of a system be conserved?
Don't double post.
 
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I'm not quite sure I understand. If momentum of a system is to be conserved then pfinal = pinitial. Meaning m1v1=m2v2. The masses will cancel meaning the velocities have to equal. But they don't. If the ball doesn't hit the ground and is just falling, where is the momentum supposed to be conserved?
 
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Do you agree that momentum is ONLY conserved when NO EXTERNAL FORCES act upon the system?

For your ball, it is certainly influenced by an EXTERNAL force, gravity!
So your conclusion should be that this is not a momentum-conserving situation.
 
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Overall momentum is conserved for a falling object because the Earth gains exactly the same momentum but in the opposite direction.
 
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You've created an unrealistic, asymetric scenario: how did the ball get in the air in the first place?
 
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Consider the ball is in mid-fall, it hasn't hit the ground yet and has not just been released. There are no external forces because gravity is providing the impulse. Is momentum conservered in this case or not?
 
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FZX Student said:
Consider the ball is in mid-fall, it hasn't hit the ground yet and has not just been released. There are no external forces because gravity is providing the impulse. Is momentum conservered in this case or not?
If you take the ball as your system, then gravity is an external force (as arildno stated) and the ball's momentum is not conserved. This is clearly true, as you know the speed of the ball increases.
 
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FZX Student said:
I'm not quite sure I understand. If momentum of a system is to be conserved then pfinal = pinitial. Meaning m1v1=m2v2. The masses will cancel meaning the velocities have to equal. But they don't. If the ball doesn't hit the ground and is just falling, where is the momentum supposed to be conserved?
Its the total momentum of a closed system that is conserved. Not the momentum of a particle. In your case the particle has a force acting on it and as such the momentum changes. There is no law of physics which states that the momentum of a particle is conserved. The gravitational force changs the momentum of a ball in free-fall. However, as someone explained above, the total momentum of the earth/ball system is conserved. The momentum is therefore

pearth + pball = constant

or

mearthvearth + mballvball = constant

If you start with the ball and the Earth initially at rest then the constant = 0 and then

mearthvearth = -mballvball

Pete
 
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Conservation of Momentum: rolling objects

What about when a ball rolls down a ramp. Is conservation of momentum violated?
 
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cparsons10 said:
What about when a ball rolls down a ramp. Is conservation of momentum violated?

No it is not. As the object moves down the ramp it gains momentum. But it should also be noted that there is an equally strong force on the Earth pulling it towards the ball. The acceleration of the Earth caused by the ball's gravity is negligible. Thus one can conclude that the change in momentum of the ball is equal [in magnitude] to the change in momentum of the earth, but in the opposite direction. Therefore the net change of momentum is zero and the law of conservation of momentum holds true.
 
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Amazing that after 2 years, I know what I was thinking and it wasn't leading in the right direction... :grumpy:
 

1. What is the law of conservation of momentum?

The law of conservation of momentum states that in a closed system, the total momentum remains constant. This means that the total amount of momentum before a collision or interaction is equal to the total amount of momentum after the collision or interaction.

2. How does the law of conservation of momentum apply to a falling object?

As a falling object moves towards the ground, its potential energy decreases and its velocity increases. According to the law of conservation of momentum, the increase in the object's velocity is directly proportional to the decrease in its potential energy. This means that the total momentum of the falling object remains constant.

3. Can the law of conservation of momentum be violated?

No, the law of conservation of momentum is a fundamental law of physics and has been observed to hold true in all interactions. However, in certain situations, it may seem like the law is being violated due to external forces like friction or air resistance, but in reality, the total momentum is still conserved.

4. How does the mass of an object affect its momentum?

The mass of an object directly affects its momentum. The greater the mass of an object, the greater its momentum will be. This means that a heavier object will have more momentum than a lighter object with the same velocity.

5. Why is the conservation of momentum important in understanding collisions?

The conservation of momentum is important in understanding collisions because it allows us to predict the outcome of a collision based on the initial momentum of the objects involved. This helps us understand the forces at play and can be used to design safer and more efficient transportation systems, as well as other important applications in engineering and physics.

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