God & Blackholes: Mysterious Ways vs Physics Theories

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of God working in mysterious ways and how this is often used as a response to contradictions in theology. It also delves into the topic of black holes and the idea that inside a black hole, all existing physics theories break down. The difference between these two statements is that one is a theological belief while the other is a scientific fact based on observed evidence. Additionally, the conversation raises questions about the assumptions and limitations of current scientific theories and the ongoing efforts to better understand the physics inside a black hole.
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"God works on mysterious ways, which we don't understand" - a usual answer I hear from theists when asked about some contradictions.

As per the current Physics, "Inside a black hole, every existing physics theory breaks."

What's the difference between these two statements? Does god concept assumes we are in a black hole?

Also, how could science come up with a bold statement "Inside a black hole, all existing physics theories break." Why we don't come up with statement as "all the existing theories are incomplete because they all fail to predict what happens inside a black hole."?
 
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jobyts said:
"Inside a black hole, all existing physics theories break." Why we don't come up with statement as "all the existing theories are incomplete because they all fail to predict what happens inside a black hole."?
It's the same thing
 
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mgb_phys said:
It's the same thing

Are scientists actively working on inside black hole theories/hypothesis? Even if we do not come up with a unified theory for both inside and outside of a BH, there has to be some physics inside a BH.
 
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There is a difference between the "God moves in mysterious ways" answer and the black hole one.
The first is just an excuse for not thinking about a question, like why does God kill 4year olds in church and yet let's whoever wrote 'home alone' live.
The second is an approach by literal minded experimental physicsts that if you can never measure the conditions in an experiment you can't talk about it in physics - that's true of inside a black hole.

Physical laws have circumstances where they aren't an appropriate model. Newton's law of gravity is usefull for point sources at large distances but doesn't work when r=0 as at the middle of a Black hole. There are more complicated theories of quantum gravity for what would happen to gravity on a very small scale.
 
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jobyts said:
Also, how could science come up with a bold statement "Inside a black hole, all existing physics theories break." Why we don't come up with statement as "all the existing theories are incomplete because they all fail to predict what happens inside a black hole."?

But...that's exactly what scientists are saying, that "all the existing theories are incomplete." It's part of the reason why quantum gravity is being so heavily worked on.
 
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jobyts said:
"God works on mysterious ways, which we don't understand" - a usual answer I hear from theists when asked about some contradictions.

As per the current Physics, "Inside a black hole, every existing physics theory breaks."

What's the difference between these two statements? Does god concept assumes we are in a black hole?

Also, how could science come up with a bold statement "Inside a black hole, all existing physics theories break." Why we don't come up with statement as "all the existing theories are incomplete because they all fail to predict what happens inside a black hole."?

Plus, we've actually observed black holes. We know they exist.
 
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jobyts said:
"God works on mysterious ways, which we don't understand" - a usual answer I hear from theists when asked about some contradictions.

As per the current Physics, "Inside a black hole, every existing physics theory breaks."

What's the difference between these two statements? Does god concept assumes we are in a black hole?

Also, how could science come up with a bold statement "Inside a black hole, all existing physics theories break." Why we don't come up with statement as "all the existing theories are incomplete because they all fail to predict what happens inside a black hole."?

I think there's a serious difference between the two statements. One is a theological statement which doesn't really admit to any sort of testing. You just have to take it on faith, or reject it (and really, either position would be arbitrary). The second statement is merely an admission that there's more physics to be done, because we don't have enough knowledge to talk about the inside of a black hole's event horizon. "I don't know," is very different from an arbitrary statement of truth which isn't based on any empirical evidence.
 

1. What is the relationship between God and blackholes?

The relationship between God and blackholes is a complex and debated topic. Some scientists and theologians believe that God created the laws of physics, including those that govern the formation and behavior of blackholes. Others believe that blackholes are a natural phenomenon and do not require a divine explanation.

2. Can God control or manipulate blackholes?

There is no scientific evidence to suggest that God has the ability to directly control or manipulate blackholes. However, some religious beliefs hold that God is omnipotent and has the power to influence all aspects of the universe, including blackholes.

3. How do theories of physics explain blackholes?

Theories of physics, such as Einstein's theory of general relativity, provide a mathematical framework for understanding the behavior of blackholes. These theories describe how massive objects, like blackholes, warp the fabric of space-time and how matter and energy behave in their presence.

4. Do blackholes disprove the existence of God?

No, blackholes do not disprove the existence of God. While some may argue that the existence of blackholes contradicts the idea of a benevolent and all-powerful deity, others see them as a part of God's grand design or simply a natural occurrence.

5. Is there a spiritual or religious significance to blackholes?

While blackholes have captured the imagination of many and sparked philosophical and theological debates, there is no specific spiritual or religious significance attributed to them. However, some may view them as a symbol of the unknowable mysteries of the universe and the power and complexity of creation.

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