Derivation of Schwarzschild radius from escape velocity

In summary: Taylor says that the Newtonian escape velocity can be derived without using energy.In summary, the conversation discusses the coincidence of the form of the Schwarzschild radius and the Newtonian escape velocity when using the constants G, M, and c. While the derivation of the escape velocity is purely classical mechanics, it does not account for the presence of the factor 2 in both equations. Additionally, it is noted that the Newtonian escape velocity can be derived without using energy and there is nothing preventing a body from having an escape velocity greater than c.
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greypilgrim
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Hi,

Is it pure coincidence that if you put ##c=v_e=\sqrt{2GM/R}## in the escape velocity, you end up with the Schwarzschild radius ##R=2GM/c^2##?

The derivation of the escape velocity is purely classical mechanics. It involves ##E_{kin}=mv^2/2## which is incorrect in special relativity even for massive particles and is entirely useless for massless photons.
One could argue that with the constants ##G,M,c## at hand the form of the Schwarzschild radius follows from dimensional analysis, but that doesn't explain why the factor ##2## is present in both derivations.
 
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greypilgrim said:
Hi,

Is it pure coincidence that if you put ##c=v_e=\sqrt{2GM/R}## in the escape velocity, you end up with the Schwarzschild radius ##R=2GM/c^2##?

The derivation of the escape velocity is purely classical mechanics. It involves ##E_{kin}=mv^2/2## which is incorrect in special relativity even for massive particles and is entirely useless for massless photons.
One could argue that with the constants ##G,M,c## at hand the form of the Schwarzschild radius follows from dimensional analysis, but that doesn't explain why the factor ##2## is present in both derivations.

Newtonian escape velocity can be derived without use energy.

That Newtonian escape velocity = c matches SC radius is generally considered a coincidence. Note that in Newtonian mechanics, there is nothing special about c, and nothing preventing a body having escape velocity > c, nor preventing projectiles with v>c that can escape.
 
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What is the Schwarzschild radius?

The Schwarzschild radius is a measure of the size of the event horizon, or the point of no return, of a non-rotating black hole. It is named after the German physicist Karl Schwarzschild who first derived the equation for it.

How is the Schwarzschild radius calculated?

The Schwarzschild radius is calculated using the escape velocity formula, which takes into account the mass and radius of the black hole. The equation is: Rs = 2GM/c2, where G is the gravitational constant, M is the mass of the black hole, and c is the speed of light.

Why is the Schwarzschild radius important?

The Schwarzschild radius is important because it marks the boundary of the event horizon, beyond which the gravitational pull of the black hole is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape. It also provides a way to measure the size and mass of a black hole.

What does the Schwarzschild radius tell us about the strength of a black hole's gravity?

The Schwarzschild radius is directly proportional to the mass of the black hole. This means that the greater the mass, the larger the Schwarzschild radius and the stronger the gravitational pull. It also tells us that as the mass of a black hole increases, the escape velocity required to leave its surface also increases.

Can the Schwarzschild radius be exceeded?

According to general relativity, the Schwarzschild radius is the point at which the escape velocity becomes equal to the speed of light. Therefore, it is considered the limit at which light can escape from a black hole. Beyond this point, the gravitational pull is so strong that even light cannot escape, making it impossible to exceed the Schwarzschild radius.

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