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Proton Soup said:maybe that kid asking for poisons didn't like the DHMO answer
Next time we'll tell him to mix the bleach with ammonia and take deep breaths... :grumpy:
Proton Soup said:maybe that kid asking for poisons didn't like the DHMO answer
Bobc2's philosophy of physics professor told him (link) that the room down the hall doesn't exist until he walks over there and opens the door, and since I trust everything that philosophers say, even when they contradict other philosophers, I say that this DDOS attack doesn't exist anymore.Greg Bernhardt said:Why the past tense. It's still happening :) We'll never know.
Maybe he was on a IUPAC standards committee and simply didn't like the incorrect nomenclature. Do any of the DoS packets come from iupac.org?Proton Soup said:maybe that kid asking for poisons didn't like the DHMO answer
:tongue2:IUPAC committee said:We will smite PF!
nismaratwork said:... What the hell is the point of compromising so many computers, then abuse their connection...
FtlIsAwesome said:But I've scared them away with my https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3175874&postcount=1090".
[PLAIN]http://www.newsupdatez.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Space-Shuttle-Launch.jpg [Broken]DevilsAvocado said:MY botnet is ready for launch! :grumpy:
DevilsAvocado said:
Jiggy-Ninja said:Is the attack still going on?
DAMN, how long is that now? The OP is from the 6th, has it really been almost a week of continuous DoS? Or have there been breaks at all there?Greg Bernhardt said:Yes the attack is still going on.
Greg Bernhardt said:Yes the attack is still going on.
rhody said:Greg,
That may be true, but you have essentially rendered them sort of neutered. Too bad you could not retaliate, legally and technologically of course, my PM ears are open to any news.
Rhody... :grumpy:
Greg Bernhardt said:I am sending in my army of laser equipped squirrels! :D
Jiggy-Ninja said:DAMN, how long is that now? The OP is from the 6th, has it really been almost a week of continuous DoS? Or have there been breaks at all there?
Squirrels suck. Use sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to the heads.Greg Bernhardt said:I am sending in my army of laser equipped squirrels! :D
So it's the script kiddie equivalent of ringing the doorbell and running away? Except it's more like gluing the doorbell down so the owner has to live with the constant AAAAAAAAAAAAA buzzing in their heads until it gets fixed.nismaratwork said:Botnets like this tend to be set on one course, then abandoned. The attack attenuates as users of the 'zombie' computers realize that something is wrong, and eventually dies off.
If it's increasing, then there's someone who really wants to be caught, and their absolute lack of effectiveness genuinely offends me.
If you attack a site, especially a forum... DDOS?? :grumpy: Its so cheap... easy; I'm disgusted. This may be the reason that I so dearly want Greg to share info so that... stuff... and stuff.
Forget lasers, send in the PF stormtroopers... I have a favor from a Canadian pal I'd be willing to cash in for this.
Jiggy-Ninja said:So it's the script kiddie equivalent of ringing the doorbell and running away? Except it's more like gluing the doorbell down so the owner has to live with the constant AAAAAAAAAAAAA buzzing in their heads until it gets fixed.
Jiggy-Ninja said:Haven't you watched Star Wars? Stormtroopers can't hit ANYTHING.
Edit: Oops, double post. I'm used to a different forum that auto-merges. Sorry
I'm usually pretty good at that sort of thing. Analogy and visualization (and always keeping in mind the limits of those) have been my main modes of thinking for years.nismaratwork said:Got it in one JN! Another example I remember was: Imagine that one clown tries to get into your house...not a problem, turn him away. Now imagine a thousand clowns are indipendantly trying to get into your houe, through the windows, doors, floorboards... it's not skill, it's not even effective... it's brute force.
Script Kiddies... the former bane of my existence...
Jiggy-Ninja said:I'm usually pretty good at that sort of thing. Analogy and visualization (and always keeping in mind the limits of those) have been my main modes of thinking for years.
Clown analogy doesn't seems right. A DoS attack isn't trying to gain entry, it's just trying to overload the listener. It'd be more like a celebrity getting mobbed by 10,000 people all asking for an autograph constantly. Wouldn't be able to get anything done in a state like that.
Now I'm curious. Why "former"? Did you get out of network administration, get promoted so you no longer have to deal with that stuff, or what?
Jiggy-Ninja said:Why do you say they aren't effective? It may not be the most efficient or elegant means of attack, but this thread alone should be proof that it's effective at something.
Those malicious packets would technically be considered a separate kind of attack though, wouldn't they? The DDoS in that case would just be a diversion or something to make the system more vulnerable.nismaratwork said:The analogy works either way; the idea is to demonstrate the notion of overwhelming force; your's is better in explaining the extreme noise-signal effect caused by a DDOS. Still, don't underestimate them, just because Greg knows his stuff, doesn't mean some of those packets aren't malicious beyond "noise".
And now my devilish curiosity is curious about those "ways" of which you speak, though I'd better stop, lest I fall under suspicion for future attacks. :uhh:Oh, they can be effective, but you need to match your attack to your target! A forum is a very soft target, with new ways to undermine them available to those who want them... this is crude. Moreover, the site remained in operation, even if slowed, and proper DDOS doesn't allow that.
Either that, or something who just doesn't give a damn and just likes to cause grief1.This has all of the hallmarks of an angry child abusing random people and companies, driving up the cost of hosting and throughput, and not even achieving the desired goal.
That image is going to need a bit of explaining.Either:
...Or buzz off and get a life. I may not like the former much of the time, but at least I understand and appreciate result. A script kiddy is like a rat, and only thrives because of numbers and the use of resources they are only able to gather because of the largesses of others.
Jiggy-Ninja said:Those malicious packets would technically be considered a separate kind of attack though, wouldn't they? The DDoS in that case would just be a diversion or something to make the system more vulnerable.
And now my devilish curiosity is curious about those "ways" of which you speak, though I'd better stop, lest I fall under suspicion for future attacks. :uhh:
Jiggy-Ninja said:Either that, or something who just doesn't give a damn and just likes to cause grief1.
Jiggy-Ninja said:That image is going to need a bit of explaining.
Jiggy-Ninja said:And yeah, script kiddies suck. Every game's got those idiots who think they're badass hackers just because they can use a Gameshark or something like that, when they don't even know the first bit about how those things even work.
Jiggy-Ninja said:1 Like that stupid "I before E / except after C / or when sounding like A / as in 'neighbor' and 'weigh'" rule which DOESN'T COVER "WEIRD"! I hate that word! Stupid English.
I wish I could help you with this. Hopefully the attack will end and you will be able to get back on with your PC.Insanity said:assuming the ongoing attack is prohibiting me from reaching PF on my PC?
Perhaps his PC is a zombie involved in the attack and he's being blocked.dlgoff said:I wish I could help you with this. Hopefully the attack will end and you will be able to get back on with your PC.
Evo said:Perhaps his PC is a zombie involved in the attack and he's being blocked.
Wow. I know nothing about this kind of thing. I went with other members advice to use avast.Evo said:Perhaps his PC is a zombie involved in the attack and he's being blocked.
jhae2.718 said:Linux
I wonder how long the attacks will continue. I was rather surprised (and extremely annoyed!) when the attack started on Sunday.
I've always wanted a firewall that traces incoming attacks and launches retaliatory strikes (launch the alert Vipers!), but I guess that http://www.schneier.com/crypto-gram-0212.html#1".
Regarding the image, for those not familiar with Conway's Game of Life: http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/index.php?title=Glider
Be careful, there are people here at Physics Forums who know how to construct http://www.conwaylife.com/wiki/index.php?title=Glider_gun! (I spent far too much time using simulations of cellular automata in high school...)
Yes.nismaratwork said:@dlgoff: Given what you just said, Avast! is a very good choice... are you using their firewall as well?
dlgoff said:Yes.
They seem to be on top of things when it comes to getting current definitions updates. i.e. Sometimes several updates in one day.
A DDOS (Distributed Denial of Service) attack is a malicious attempt to disrupt the normal traffic of a targeted server, service, or network by overwhelming it with a flood of internet traffic from multiple sources.
A DDOS attack can cause a forum like PF to experience slow loading times, errors, and even complete downtime. This is because the server is unable to handle the large amount of incoming traffic, making it difficult for users to access the forum.
It is difficult to determine the exact source of a DDOS attack as the traffic is coming from multiple sources. It could be a single individual or a group of hackers. The forum administrators are working to mitigate the attack and prevent future ones.
In most cases, a DDOS attack does not directly target personal information. However, there is always a risk of data breaches during any type of cyber attack. It is important to regularly change your passwords and monitor your accounts for any suspicious activity.
The duration of a DDOS attack can vary, but the forum administrators are working to resolve the issue as quickly as possible. It is important to be patient and avoid sharing any personal information during this time. You can also check the forum's social media or website for updates on the situation.