What is the Meaning of Action? Investigating the Connection between GR & QM

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of action and its relation to various physical principles, such as the principle of stationary action and conservation laws. The speaker also suggests investigating the concept further in order to better understand the connection between general relativity and quantum mechanics. The conversation also touches on the idea of Planck's constant representing the scale factor of the universe and the potential quantization of proper time.
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I know how Action is defined, the fact the Planck's constant h is an action, the variational theorems associated with it, as the principle of stationary action, and, mostly, the important facts that from this principle comes the relations between space homogeneity and linear momentum conservation, space isotropy and angular momentum conservation, time homogeneity and energy conservation.

My question is: what physically, intuitive meaning can have the action? Is it possible to visualize it in some way or to relate it directly to some property of space or of something else?

I think we should investigate more this concept, if we want to understand better the connection between the space (time?) structure and the constant h, that is, between General Relativity and quantum mechanics.

Do you agree?
 
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You might enjoy reading http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/call_action.html

Taylor also advocates using Feynman's "sum over paths" formalism to show how QM reduces to the classical limit.


Note that GR can be understood in terms of variational principles (look up "Hilbert action").

The incompatibility between GR and quantum mechanics has sometimes been overstated a bit. Basically, at low energies, we already know how to quantize gravity, as an "effective field theory". It's only at high energies that we don't know how to marry the two. Unfortunately, the energies needed to really study this matter are probably not going to be experimentally accessible.

Planck's constant can be thought of as representing the way that the universe varies with scale. IIRC this remark was originated by Hermann Weyl.

Consider, for example, the transition from geometric units to Planck units. Geometric units make c=G=1, and unify time, distance, and mass - they can all be measured in a common unit, usually cm.

Planck units get rid of the cm and have no units at all - this is done by fixing the scale factor appropriately. This is an example of how Planck's constant can be thought of as setting the scale factor of the universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometrized_units
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_units

go into some of the various "natural" units, if this brief description wasn't too clear.
 
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Thank you for your answer and for the file you indicated to me.

I have understood that a body moves in a geodesic of curved space-time according to the maximum proper time and this is equivalent to follow the minimum-action path.

So, there is a relation between action and proper time?
 
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Yes - the action is the proper time expressed in different variables. Part of the Lagrangain formalism is to find the value of the function L in terms of the variabes t,x,dx/dt, i.e. to find L(t,x,dx/dt).
 
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Yes - the action is the proper time expressed in different variables.
Ok. So, since the action has h as minimum value, would it be correct to say that proper time must be quantized as well?
 
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So, since the action is quantized, would it be correct to say that proper time must be quantized as well?
 
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If proper time is quantized, that would be an interesting subject, isnt'it?
 

1. What is the connection between General Relativity (GR) and Quantum Mechanics (QM)?

The connection between GR and QM is a topic of ongoing scientific research and debate. However, some theories suggest that GR and QM may be unified at a deeper level, possibly through the concept of quantum gravity.

2. How do GR and QM relate to the concept of "action"?

GR and QM both involve the concept of "action", but in different ways. In GR, action is a measure of the curvature of spacetime caused by massive objects. In QM, action is a fundamental quantity that describes the behavior of particles at the quantum level.

3. Can GR and QM be reconciled?

Many scientists believe that a unified theory of GR and QM is possible, but it is a challenging task that has yet to be achieved. Some theories, such as string theory, attempt to reconcile these two theories by incorporating both gravity and quantum mechanics.

4. How does the study of GR and QM impact our understanding of the universe?

The study of GR and QM has greatly advanced our understanding of the universe and its fundamental laws. These theories have allowed us to make accurate predictions about the behavior of matter and energy at all scales, from the smallest particles to the largest structures in the universe.

5. What are some current areas of research in the connection between GR and QM?

Some current areas of research include attempts to reconcile GR and QM through theories like string theory and loop quantum gravity. Other areas of research involve testing the predictions of these theories through experiments, such as studying the behavior of matter in extreme environments like black holes.

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