http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentataVagina Dentata is a Latin term for a rare condition that makes teeth grow out of a vagina.
Various cultures, mostly tribes in Chaco and Guiana, have tales about the Vagina Dentata, many of these are intended as warnings against the dangers of having sex with strange wOmen and to discourage rape.
http://www.cas.buffalo.edu/classes/eng/willbern/BestSellers/Jaws/vagdent.htmThe myth of the vagina dentata, or vagina with teeth, derives from primitive masculine dreads of the "mysteries" of women and sexual union. It evokes castration anxiety, whereby the man fears loss of the penis during intercourse, and more generally it relates to fears of weakness, impotence, or annihilation by incorporation (connected to unconscious notions of "returning to the womb").
-- Stories of the vagina dentata persist in aboriginal myths and legends (Egyptian, Indo-European, Greek, Native American, African), as well as in contemporary narratives, such as vulgar sexist jokes.
-- Sublimated expressions of this dread underlie stories of post-coital loss of strength, such as the biblical story of Samson and Delilah, or the deep social resonance of the recent (1993) Lorena and John Wayne Bobbitt incident in America.
-- Many narratives of "hero vs. monster" also rely on the myth: for instance, Oedipus and the Sphinx, whose mythic structure underlies Benchley's novel, Jaws.
-- Some cultural surgical practices, such as clitoridectomies and other female genital mutilations (including modern episiotomies), also relate to the myth. These practices physically inscribe an assertion of masculine domination that implies a dread of feminine powers.
From a contemporary, feminist, psychoanalytic perspective, Elizabeth Grosz writes:
"The fantasy of the vagina dentata, of the non-human status of woman as android, vampire or animal, the identification of female sexuality as voracious, insatiable, enigmatic, invisible and unknowable, cold, calculating, instrumental, castrator/decapitator of the male, dissimulatress or fake, predatory, engulfing mother, preying on male weakness, are all consequences of the ways in which male orgasm has functioned as the measure and representative of all sexualities and all modes of erotic encounter." (See the article on "Animal Sex" cited below, and available online.)
Western literary allusions...
There is a real condition that causes cells to grow into the wrong kind of cell.olek1991 said:Many people say that it's a fictional condition but the article states that it's real.
Well I wouldn't go so far, but based on a true story sounds better :PIntegral said:So the movie http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780622/" is a documentary?
mgb_phys said:There is a real condition that causes cells to grow into the wrong kind of cell.
Normally you wouldn't notice if you had a small clump of muscle cells in your fat (or the other way around), you can get into trouble if chemical producing cells turn on in the wrong place.
But the easiest ones to identify are hair and teeth - so having a lump on your arm removed and finding a tooth bud (generally not a full tooth) is noteworthy.
Since these cells can occur anywhere then with N women * LOTS years - the odds are it has happened at least once. But since these teeth are rooted in a jaw they can't do much!
Ivan Seeking said:Ooh, I hadn't thought of that. YIKES! A failed twin might be another situation that could very rarely lead to some very strange results.
olek1991 said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata
I found this on the net a few days back, what do you guys think of it?
Many people say that it's a fictional condition but the article states that it's real.
Andy Resnick said:I don't even know why I am commenting on this thread.
But- Ahem. Where on (the wiki page) "the article states that it's real.", exactly? Wikipeda can be fairly retarded, but this goes beyond the pale.
Isn't there a minimum expectation for proper referencing around here?
MotoH said:I had a dream like this once, only it was the the mouth of "Predator"
zomgwtf said:would you say it was a good dream or bad dream? :tongue:
MotoH said:Frightening at first, then mildly erotic.
Kerrie said:I find it hilarious.
Andy Resnick said:I don't even know why I am commenting on this thread.
But- Ahem. Where on (the wiki page) "the article states that it's real.", exactly? Wikipeda can be fairly retarded, but this goes beyond the pale.
Isn't there a minimum expectation for proper referencing around here?
mgb_phys said:There is a real condition that causes cells to grow into the wrong kind of cell.
Normally you wouldn't notice if you had a small clump of muscle cells in your fat (or the other way around), you can get into trouble if chemical producing cells turn on in the wrong place.
But the easiest ones to identify are hair and teeth - so having a lump on your arm removed and finding a tooth bud (generally not a full tooth) is noteworthy.
Since these cells can occur anywhere then with N women * LOTS years - the odds are it has happened at least once. But since these teeth are rooted in a jaw they can't do much!
Actually they forms in the embryonic skin cells, this is wherever the skin folds inwards to become another organ, so anywhere from eyes, ears, reproductive organs, probably nose too.zomgwtf said:The only way I can think of this happening is through a dermoid cyst. They can develop teeth, bones, fat, hair, nails, etc.. The odds of it occurring IN the vagina AND grows teeth specifically, so it looks like there's a tooth or teeth in there are pretty low I'd say. Normally these cysts occur around the eyes, such as on the eyelid.
olek1991 said:Actually they forms in the embryonic skin cells, this is wherever the skin folds inwards to become another organ, so anywhere from eyes, ears, reproductive organs, probably nose too.
And if you google the term you can find a picture of the real deal.
Altho I doubt that the mods would like me posting it :P
Ivan Seeking said:If you have a medical journal to reference then you can post a link. If not, then you don't have a source that allows for such claims. Without a credible and appropriate journal to reference, it is not appropriate to make any definitive claims.
You started out by asking a question, and now you're making claims.
Well since you seem to be compelled to post here a second time without substantiating your claim that this is impossible. And you are trying to make it look as though people are making stuff up so that there 'dream vagina' were true here:Andy Resnick said:This is ridiculous. The wiki page does not say this is a real phenomenon, the OP said the wiki article 'states it's real'. The articles referenced by wiki contain nothing other than hearsay. yet people on this thread are *insisting* women can grow teeth in their vagina.
I have several books on medical oddities. The reason those are taken serious is because there is *evidence*. Pictures. case studies. You know- sciencey-stuff.
Seems to me that there's a population here that *wishes* it were true.
In reality vagina dentata is a very rare existing condition.
zomgwtf said:Well since you seem to be compelled to post here a second time without substantiating your claim that this is impossible. And you are trying to make it look as though people are making stuff up so that there 'dream vagina' were true here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermoid_cyst
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dermoid+cyst+in+pelvic+region
maybe now you could give it a rest?
EDIT: As well no, the OP never said a wiki page had said that this was a real occurance. He said THE ARTICLE. It looks like when he referenced the quote he gave he posted the wrong link... not that big of a mistake it's now fixed I just checked and it says:
Any more complaints from you sir?
I thought that it was pretty clear that he had cited the wrong source seeing as the quote he posted wasn't found anywhere in the article. Also on the new source he cites it also lists dermoid cysts as the culprit.
Ivan Seeking said:I did see one link that seems to confirm the claim that this is a condition seen rarely today.
http://www.healthcentral.com/drdean/408/13198.html
However, we have not yet seen a definitive source confirming the claim.
When one is making a definitive claim, simply posting google pages is not sufficient. We need a specific link from a credible source, which does not include wiki.
The OP wasn't banned because of this thread.zomgwtf said:No it's a condition seen rarely PERIOD... and this doctor plus the numerous people who probably know more about medical biology than you do don't count as definitive sources that this condition can and most likely has occured?
What do you need a picture of a vagina with a tooth in it? Like what the heck just accept the condition is possible and move on.
EDIT: I sure hope that the OP wasn't banned because of this thread... that's pretty stupid. No one has made any definitive claims about ANYTHING to do with Vagina Dentata... only to do with Dermoid Cyst... or have dermoid cysts existence been called into question too?
olek1991 said:And if you google the term you can find a picture of the real deal. Altho I doubt that the mods would like me posting it :P
zomgwtf said:No it's a condition seen rarely PERIOD... and this doctor plus the numerous people who probably know more about medical biology than you do don't count as definitive sources that this condition can and most likely has occured?
What do you need a picture of a vagina with a tooth in it? Like what the heck just accept the condition is possible and move on.
Ivan Seeking said:Personal theories are not appropriate either. Either we have a proper reference or we don't.
Vaginal dermoid cyst is a rare finding.
The finding of a paravaginal cyst is not uncommon in
clinical examination, but making an accurate diagnosis
is sometimes difficult. Most of these cysts are either
derived from embryological remnants or are epithelial
inclusion cysts. We report the sonographic characteristics
of a vaginal lesion that was diagnosed histopathologically
as a rare dermoid cyst.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12073078No calcification, hair, teeth, or bone elements was detected.
http://www.acog.org/publications/patient_education/bp075.cfmDermoid cysts form from a type of cell capable of developing into different kinds of tissue, such as skin, hair, fat, and teeth. Dermoid cysts may be present from birth but grow during a woman’s reproductive years. These cysts may be found on one or both ovaries. Dermoid cysts often are small and may not cause symptoms. If they become large, they may cause pain.
cronxeh said:Thats like asking for a reference that god doesn't exist.
"..the odontoblast intracellular pH was found to be 6.66±0.02"
"the pH in the extracellular predentin was higher than the intracellular pH, 7.00±0.02"
http://www.springerlink.com/content/387625t20l862w22/
Normal vaginal pH is 3.8 to 4.5
So unless you are packing yogurt in with sodium bicarbonate and supplemental calcium with odontoblasts, I don't see how this is anything but an urban myth
You know how anyone can tell there is no such thing as Vagina Dentata? Vagina has an acidic environment which will destroy the dentin from forming.
QED.
Or wait for someone to point out to you that it's inside a CYST. If you can understand what that means.cronxeh said:Thats like asking for a reference that god doesn't exist.
"..the odontoblast intracellular pH was found to be 6.66±0.02"
"the pH in the extracellular predentin was higher than the intracellular pH, 7.00±0.02"
http://www.springerlink.com/content/387625t20l862w22/
Normal vaginal pH is 3.8 to 4.5
So unless you are packing yogurt in with sodium bicarbonate and supplemental calcium with odontoblasts, I don't see how this is anything but an urban myth. Although wait for the train of evolutionary biologists who will say 'well these are the normal operating pH values, you don't have any experimental data to suggest that dentin won't form at lower pH around 4.5" :grumpy: