Entropy: Increasing or Decreasing?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of entropy and its relation to the formation of matter in the universe and life on Earth. While entropy is often associated with disorder, it is actually a measure of the number of internal states a system can have. The formation of life on Earth does not necessarily lead to an increase in entropy, as shown by the example of Earth's steady state energy flow. Entropy generation can also be used as a measure of irreversibilities in a process.
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Everybody says entropy of the universe is increasing.

But after the big bang, matter formed, it came together, stars and galaxies were formed, on a small planet called Earth atoms/molecules came together to form unicellular organisms and then higher life. Our brains are organizing even more and more as our intelligence level is increasing.

Isn't this order?
 
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Get yourself together man.
Are all these irreversible processes?
 
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Naveen3456 said:
Everybody says entropy of the universe is increasing.

But after the big bang, matter formed, it came together, stars and galaxies were formed, on a small planet called Earth atoms/molecules came together to form unicellular organisms and then higher life. Our brains are organizing even more and more as our intelligence level is increasing.

Isn't this order?

You're letting yourself be misled by the pop-sci description of entropy as "disorder".

Entropy is a measure of the number of internal states that a system can have. Not all increases in entropy correspond to our intuitive notion of "increasing disorder".
 
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What Nugatory said. One can associate some kind of "disorder" to entropy, but this view is very weak in describing the state of the system. Entropy is characterized by the multiplicity, i.e. the number of microstates associated with a macrostate.

As for life forming on earth, the entropy of Earth does not need to increase. A simple argument is as follows:
most of the radiation Earth receives from the sun is in the green and the Earth emits in the infrared. Since the Earth is in steady state, energy in = energy out. Thus for every photon Earth receives, it emits two photons (the energy of an infrared photon is about half of the energy of a green photon). Two photons have a higher multiplicity than a single photon. Thus the change in entropy does not need to be greater than zero.
 
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From the engineering point of view (see the book Thermodynamics; An engineering approach by Cengel and Boles) "entropy generation can be used as a quantitative measure of irreversibilities associated with a process".
Sgen > 0 --> irreversible process
Sgen = 0 --> reversible process
Sgen < 0 --> impossible process
 

1. What is entropy?

Entropy is a measure of the amount of disorder or randomness in a system. It is often described as the level of chaos or unpredictability in a system.

2. How does entropy change?

Entropy can either increase or decrease in a system, depending on the direction of a process. In general, entropy tends to increase over time in isolated systems, as energy is dispersed and disorder increases.

3. What factors affect entropy?

The main factors that affect entropy include temperature, pressure, and the number of particles in a system. Generally, increasing temperature and pressure can increase entropy, while decreasing the number of particles can also increase entropy.

4. Is entropy always increasing?

No, entropy is not always increasing. In some processes, such as freezing or crystallization, entropy can actually decrease. However, in isolated systems, the overall trend is for entropy to increase over time.

5. How does entropy relate to the second law of thermodynamics?

The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system always increases over time. This law is closely related to the concept of entropy, as both describe the tendency towards increasing disorder and randomness in a system.

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