Which Camera to Buy? Advice for Photographers

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In summary, the decision of which camera to get starts with the type of photography you plan to do. The basic things to consider are the quality of the pictures, the speed at which the camera can shoot, how much money you want to spend, and the size of the camera. There are many different types of cameras to choose from, but the most important thing is to make sure that the camera you buy can do the type of photography that you want to do.
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That question comes up every now and then. So maybe it's an idea to unanswer that here in this thread.

So you want to be able to make those nice pics you see in the nature books, commercials etc. Obviously you need good equipment for that.

The first essential thing is brain, the most important part of the camera is usually a few inches behind it. or a few feet with the nice big screens nowadays. You'd have to visualize the pic you want to make. How to make compositions. You could go and take a course for that, but reading a few books on the subject will certainly help too or browsing around on internet finds lots of http://www.best-family-photography-tips.com/basic-photography-tips.html [Broken].

So which camera to start with? Well it should basically make the pix that you want it to make. Main things to consider are basic picture quality, decay of picture quality under low light conditions, zoom range and focus range (macro) to capture the shot and finally but very importantly, speed, as sometimes the magic photo moment lasts only some second.

to be continued soon.
 
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That website is already helping!

Thanks a lot, Andre :smile:
 
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Response time is a big one for me. I can perfectly compose a shot with my point-and-shoot Panasonic DMC-ZS3 and lose it because of lag-time. When shooting wildlife, pets, active children, etc, you can miss the "perfect" shots, especially when shooting in automatic modes in which you're relying on the camera to make decisions regarding shutter-speed, ISO, auto-focus, etc.

I have two Canon 30Ds with a modest array of lenses. Those cameras can blaze away at 5 frames per second, and they have helped me catch some things I would have missed otherwise, like a really precious expression on my niece's face before she knew that I was shooting her. (She was already camera-conscious by the age of 2!)
 
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Right, thanks Turbo

You can make the most beautiful compositions with a phone camera or the simple point and shoot cameras, but don't expect quality nor any control about details like depth of field.

Quality increases generally with sensor size primary and pixel count secondary. You can already get quite some possiblities with the bridge cameras with a great zoom range but essentially still the quality problems of a small sensor and the speed is not great either because of the limitations of the focussing method.

If speed is all important as well as quality, you need a DSLR as Turbo indicated. It's not only about the ability to shoot at 3, 5, or 8 or even 10 frames per second but also how fast it shoots from power up and the lag between pushing the button and the exposure actually being made.

But with DSLR's the pecunia factor starts to play as well as the limited zoon range of the available lenses.

My favorite sites for that

http://www.dpreview.com/
http://www.slrgear.com/
 
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Before we concentrate on the DSLRs I should mention that there is a new in between class of camera's, the micro four thirds, also a sort of hybrid with exchangable lenses. Note that this page gives a lot of useful information, also about sensor size as well as a good elaboration of the advantages and disadvantages. Quality, size, etc. All in all I would not want to discourage a serious look into this class of cameras.

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The main reason for chosing this class of hybrid cameras is the factor light weight, while sacrifying some speed and some quality compared to the DSLRs but a quick look at prices shows that this cannot be a big factor.

Actually this buying guide sums it up:

Hybrid camera advantages

•Smaller, lighter and usually quieter than equivalent SLR
•Ease of use with many compact camera features (such as face detection)
•Better integrated video capture functionality
•Electronic viewfinders usually larger than entry-level SLR optical viewfinders
•Full shooting information and menus in the viewfinder
•Smaller lenses

Hybrid camera disadvantages

•Fewer models / brands to choose from
•Limited lens choices
•Slower - in some cases much slower - autofocus
•Limited continuous ('burst') shooting capabilities
•Electronic viewfinders cannot match the clarity of a good optical finder
•Current models offer relatively poor low-light performance
 
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So we continue, assuming that we really need the speed and versitality of a DSLR. This brings two important decisions; which brand and what price/performance level.

It's important to realize that the first buy of a certain brand, basically means that you're stuck with that brand for the rest of your life. As you buy more lenses and accessories, these are basically not interchangeable which makes a change over very costly as it goes for most of the equipment. On the other hand the quality and prices differences between the major brands are not that much as the competition is considerable. To keep it that way, buyers should certainly not chose for the same brand. So it's not a good development that Canon is by far the biggest SLR brand. Nikon and Pentax are excellent too.

Anyway, I ended up with Canon because at that time I chose for the camera with the best image quality but that was only a moment in time.

On the issue of which level, SLRs start with entry level cameras for beginners then we have the semi professional midrange cameras and the professional cameras on the high end. The difference is mostly about pixels and speed.

Personally I have some reservations that beginners should start with the simpler entry level camera's. If you spend that kind of money, you sure have made a major decision about it. So spending that to try and see if you like it, seems odd. But the simpler cameras also leave you with less options, mostly lack of speed. I find it quite impossible to catch a dragonfly or a swallow in full flight with the Canon 550D by the limitations of the cheaper focussing system while the Canon 7D (almost twice as expensive) with a very sophisticated focussing system has no problems with that.
 
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Like Andre, I went with the Canon line, in large part because of the output of pro and semi-pro nature photographers with that equipment. In particular, I was blown away by one bird-photographer's work with the 100-400 L-series zoom. Until he responded to my queries about equipment, I assumed he was shooting with prime lenses.

As Andre has said, once you take the plunge, you are probably locked into that brand unless you are financially independent because those expensive lenses that you buy aren't going to work with camera bodies of other manufacturers. Back in the times of manual cameras, it was sometimes possible to "make do" with adapters, but many modern lenses have features like image stabilization and rapid auto-focus motors built in, and the more complex the lens, the less likely that it will be adaptable to uses that don't involve that brand's camera bodies as an imager.
 
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Good idea for a thread, Andre.

I'll just toss out these two sites:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech.htm
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/index.shtml

I'll also state Andre's point that the number one most important part of any photograph is *you*- your eyes and your brain.

The second most important part is the lens. A garbage lens on a pro camera gives garbage (as always, there are exceptions- gifted photographers can use a garbagee lens and make great art: see http://www.squidoo.com/holgaFAQ [Broken]). A great camera, great lens, and poor technique will also (generally) produce garbage.

The third most important part of a photo is the *lighting*. Get a decent flash, learn how to use it.

I'll mention that you are *not* really locked into a brand nowadays- you can get adapters that let you attach (pretty much) any lens onto any camera. Maybe not beginner stuff, but there's enough enthusiasts out there (and here) that can help.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
Good idea for a thread, Andre.

I'll just toss out these two sites:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech.htm
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/index.shtml

I'll also state Andre's point that the number one most important part of any photograph is *you*- your eyes and your brain.

The second most important part is the lens. A garbage lens on a pro camera gives garbage (as always, there are exceptions- gifted photographers can use a garbagee lens and make great art: see http://www.squidoo.com/holgaFAQ [Broken]). A great camera, great lens, and poor technique will also (generally) produce garbage.

The third most important part of a photo is the *lighting*. Get a decent flash, learn how to use it.

I'll mention that you are *not* really locked into a brand nowadays- you can get adapters that let you attach (pretty much) any lens onto any camera. Maybe not beginner stuff, but there's enough enthusiasts out there (and here) that can help.

Thanks for that Andy, maybe I'm allowed to comment a bit. For instance from the first site

Forget Resolution and ISO

Resolution and ISO are silly numbers used to try to sell you more expensive cameras.

Resolution, expressed in megapixels, is no longer relevant. Forget it when comparing cameras. I've made great 12 x 18" (30x45cm) prints from a 3MP camera and 40x60" (100x 150cm) prints from a 6MP camera. 6 Megapixels is all anyone needs for anything, and every camera here has two or three times that.

Resolution is nothing more than a sales pitch to get you to pay more.

Now that every camera has double-digit megapixels, camera makers invented another meaningless number they can use to extract more cash from the innocent, called ISO.

ISO is a rough measure of sensitivity to low light. It only matters if you shoot in the dark, and then shoot without flash. As soon as your flash pops up, the higher ISOs aren't used anyway. Even if you learn how to use the higher ISO settings of your camera (few people do), there isn't much difference between cameras of the same type and era, regardless of cost. All the higher ISO settings do is make the picture look grainier, and the cameras that sport the highest ISO settings look horrible at those settings!

This is a bit of misinformation, the pixelmania arguments are typically Nikon that refused to keep up in the megapixel race. It's more complex and also a function of pixel quality and lens quality. Indeed it is useless to increase pixel count if the lens is the critical limitation for more resolution but often it is not. Smaller pixels are obviously struggling with signal noise ratio but that doesn't mean that the optimum solution is in the low pixel count. And a high pixel count allows you to crop, the more the better.

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[STRIKE]Tinypic seems out at the moment but when it's back I'll demonstrate how important that is.[/STRIKE]

Let me illustrate the importance of pixel count with this picture:
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this is on 15% of the real size which is 12.1 MP of the Canon 450D, you see that I used it in the current photo challenge in a crop of 50% size. That'sthe closest I could get that picture with the 300mm zoom

This is a crop on 100% size:

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So if the camera was only on say, 3.5 MP, the best I could have done was this:

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So more pixels is indeed more resolution (lens depending) and a priory dismissing the higher pixel count is an unjust generalisation.

Then the high ISO. Apart from the fact that natural light is miles ahead of flashlight for a nice harmonious shot, there are also several occasions that the normal numbers fall short. If you want to do fast sports hand held with a telelens on a gloomy day or marcoshots from life insects, the situation requires high shutterspeeds and small apertures, allowing only a little light to the sensor. That's also where high iso numbers save the day.
 

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Andre said:
This is a bit of misinformation

You are very charitable. I would classify it as "intended misinformation", worth 3 infraction points.
 
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turbo-1 said:
Response time is a big one for me. I can perfectly compose a shot with my point-and-shoot Panasonic DMC-ZS3 and lose it because of lag-time. When shooting wildlife, pets, active children, etc, you can miss the "perfect" shots, especially when shooting in automatic modes in which you're relying on the camera to make decisions regarding shutter-speed, ISO, auto-focus, etc.

I have two Canon 30Ds with a modest array of lenses. Those cameras can blaze away at 5 frames per second, and they have helped me catch some things I would have missed otherwise, like a really precious expression on my niece's face before she knew that I was shooting her. (She was already camera-conscious by the age of 2!)

I have the same lag time problem with my point and shoot. The odd thing is that the video starts instantly.

 
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edward said:
I have the same lag time problem with my point and shoot. The odd thing is that the video starts instantly.

Most older point and shoots don't do much when the button is not depressed. So it would have to focus and meter the light first, and make some decisions between depressing the button and actually making the pic. In the movie mode these functions are likely active continuously.

Also all non reflex cameras struggle a bit with auto focussing using contrast detection. That takes a lot of calculating, think in half seconds. However, the mirror system in an SLR allows for phase detection which is much faster, think in milli seconds.

This also means that when you don't use the view finder but the life preview mode of the modern SLR's that the mirror locks up, disabling the phase detection. So then you also lack the speed of the phase detection as it has to revert to a phase detection mode again for the focus. Canon also has a (selectable) hybrid solution for that, if you hit the separate focus button, the mirror drops, the phase detection auto focus activates and after focussing the mirror locks up again. A bit too complex for my likings.

Next ..but what camera to buy?
 
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Andre said:
Thanks for that Andy, maybe I'm allowed to comment a bit. For instance from the first site

This is a bit of misinformation, the pixelmania arguments are typically Nikon that refused to keep up in the megapixel race.

I understand your point, but Ken's is that unless you are making prints larger than (say) 4" x 6", why pay for pixels that aren't used? Clearly, the issue is more subtle- with a larger image size/greater number of pixels, you can crop the original and then make large prints from the *cropped* original. But for simple snapshots- the 99.9% of camera users that don't do anything more than snap a pic and email it to friends who look at it on their cell phone or blackberry or computer screen- you really don't need more than (say) 6 MP. The bottom line is that pixel count, in and of itself, in *not* a useful metric- image *size*, on the other hand, *is* a useful metric.

I do a demo in class where I compare a cell phone image to my Sony- the reason why cheap cameras work so well for facebook/blogs/cell phone backgrounds/etc is that you don't need a gazillion pixels.. Some students (the ones who work at electronics stores) get upset when I point out that a $1 camera phone image is nearly indistinguishable from a $4k DSLR.

And, this doesn't even get into the issue that DSLR sensors use a Bayer filter- a 24 MP DSLR sensor is not the same as a 24 MP monochrome focal plane array.
 
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You guys are touching on the very things I used to pick my cameras.

IMO, the best way to louse up an otherwise excellent pic is to not have your camera with you when it occurs. I went with a point & shoot rather than a DSLR for that reason. I carry it with me in my "murse" next to my wallet and keys.

The second best way top louse up a shot is to have your camera pointed at your shot but it's not ready. Lag time was the primary factor. I tested a bunch to see how long it took to turn on nad how long it took to be ready between shots.

After that, I looked for MP, because I like to do heavy cropping.

One misleading factor is zoom. Optical zoom is the only one to bother with. Digital zoom simply interpolates.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
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One misleading factor is zoom. Optical zoom is the only one to bother with. Digital zoom simply interpolates.

yes- excellent point!
 
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Andy Resnick said:
I do a demo in class where I compare a cell phone image to my Sony- the reason why cheap cameras work so well for facebook/blogs/cell phone backgrounds/etc is that you don't need a gazillion pixels.. Some students (the ones who work at electronics stores) get upset when I point out that a $1 camera phone image is nearly indistinguishable from a $4k DSLR.

Thanks Andy, that sort of comforms to my OP:

Andre said:
So you want to be able to make those nice pics you see in the nature books, commercials etc. Obviously you need good equipment for that.

So which Camera to choose? If you'd opt for the bridge camera, this may be an interesting comparison.

For DSLR brands: Canon is the largest and has some status to keep up, the fastest camera being the 1D mk IV and the full frame 5D mk II camera for the 'best' image quality versus a reasonable price. Nikon is the runner up with some pretty interesting trumps like the best full frame low light camera, the D3S. But not cameras for mere mortals on a tighter budget. Pentax is only close behind. Sony (formerly Minolta) holds records for resolution and has interesting gadgets. Olympus specializes on small sizes with the four third system and other brands like Panasonic and

So if I had some spare cash and enough persuation power, and having Cano lenses already, I'd go for the Canon 7D almost a professional fast camera for a reasonable price. But simpler cameras with the same sensor and hence image quality are the new 60D and the 550D (mine).

Would you fancy Nikon then the semi professional D7000 is a good one or the entry level D3100. But a excellent competitor is the Pentax K-5, with an amazing low light performance. But also the Sony alpha55 is certainly worth considering
 
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It's also worth considering how technologies are implemented. Canon and Nikon integrate image stabilization in their lenses, for instance, so that the IS is optimized for each lens. Other companies implement IS with some sort of sensor-shifting mechanism, which may or may not work as well. With short focal lengths, the moving-sensor technology can work very well, though with long focal lengths, enough image-shake can out-strip the ability of the sensor to travel to match it.

Lenses with built-in IS have to be more complex, and perhaps more expensive as a result, but I like the results. I own an ancient Bogen tripod, but I never bother tossing it into the vehicle when I load my camera-case. Good IS let's me treat almost all shots as snapshots, and it's great to be free of that heavy tripod. I have a walking-staff with a 1/4" x 25 stud hidden under the head, and that can serve as monopod, if necessary, though I use that only rarely.
 
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BTW, I used to travel with an OM4, several OM1s (usually 3 of them) loaded films in a range of ISOs, and lots of prime lenses, plus a couple of flashes, and that heavy Bogen tripod. I am spoiled by these Canon 30Ds and Canon zoom lenses. When I was shooting film, I never owned a zoom. The optical quality was generally very poor, and the loss of speed necessitated shooting with faster (and grainier) films. Today's lenses often employ aspheric elements, high-dispersion glasses, etc, and can cover a wide range of focal lengths with very little distortion.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
I understand your point, but Ken's is that unless you are making prints larger than (say) 4" x 6", why pay for pixels that aren't used?

I agree when it comes to resolution, but the ISO part is simply idiotic. Unless someone buys a camera just to take pictures of friends at the bar and GF at the beach. I can easily show (and I guess I am not the only one here) many pictures that were taken thanks to high film speed, and I am not talking about fancy things, sometimes that's necessary even for simple views.
 
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Andre, I really wish you would have made this thread a few months ago when I was looking for a new camera. My awful Samsung P&S stopped working and I was looking for a decent bridge camera for around $300 that could take good macro shots but decent image quality all around. I ended on going with the Panasonic FZ-40 as I know basically nothing about cameras and got a good deal on it.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the camera. Macro shots are incredible (as far as I know) and I can place the lens directly on top of an object and it will give me crisp focused close ups every time. This is a picture I took of some 0805 LEDs on a circuit board.

http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/8356/2886992930056081071S600x600Q85.jpg

The image was cropped and then shrunk by Webshots to be 600 pixels in size.

Long distance shots are very good as well as long if there is moderate to good lighting. Here's a shot of a fallen tree branch I took through the window of my apartment. The camera is fully zoomed out and the branch is maybe a couple hundred feet away.

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/16012/2328471410056081071S600x600Q85.jpg

Again, shrunk to 600 pixels by Webshots.

Regular distance shots come out great too, but only if there is very good lighting.
http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/3763/2912030340056081071S600x600Q85.jpg

One thing I don't like about the camera is the lower light performance or indoor image quality. For example, portraits of people or objects just 5 or so feet away come out blurry with a lot of noise, even if a lower ISO is used. Obviously, one should use the flash to fix that but then the image has a lot of shadowing and looks terrible. In this regard, the FZ-40 doesn't really seem to perform any better than my old $70 point and shoot. This is probably a user error, but shouldn't a $300 camera perform better than this? I'll try and find an image that I cost post as an example.
 
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Topher925 said:
... In this regard, the FZ-40 doesn't really seem to perform any better than my old $70 point and shoot. This is probably a user error, but shouldn't a $300 camera perform better than this?

Ah the FZ 40 is the brand new bridge camera of Panasonic and that low light noise is exactly the problem of all small sensor cameras and the very small pixels being at the limits of detection level. The FZ 40 has 50 million pixels per cm2, the Nikon D3S only 1.4 million pixels, performing best at low light.

But the panasonic bridge family scored in the top consistently, so the odds are that others would not perform any better at low light.
 
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Andre said:
Ah the FZ 40 is the brand new bridge camera of Panasonic and that low light noise is exactly the problem of all small sensor cameras and the very small pixels being at the limits of detection level. The FZ 40 has 50 million pixels per cm2, the Nikon D3S only 1.4 million pixels, performing best at low light.

But the panasonic bridge family scored in the top consistently, so the odds are that others would not perform any better at low light.

I guess I won't make to much of it then. Its a great camera and takes excellent macro and high zoom shots which is really what I care about.

(Picture linked here so as not to stretch the page margins excessively)
 
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Even the little pocket cameras from Panasonic can do a very good job and both ends of the focal range. Details are perhaps a bit soft when shooting at infinity and full-zoom, but quite tolerable for a pocket-cam. DMC-SZ3 with 12x Leica lens.

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sugar2010.jpg

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Borek said:
I agree when it comes to resolution, but the ISO part is simply idiotic. Unless someone buys a camera just to take pictures of friends at the bar and GF at the beach. I can easily show (and I guess I am not the only one here) many pictures that were taken thanks to high film speed, and I am not talking about fancy things, sometimes that's necessary even for simple views.

I tend to agree- he has some (low-light, long exposure) shots on his site that he claims were taken without a tripod in spite of looking quite sharp. Personally, my technique is not good enough to pull that off. But he's clearly quite good so absent evidence, I have to believe him.

I think most of us on this thread are dancing around the central issue, which is expressly distinguishing between the casual snapshooter, for which a simple superzoom 'P&S' (copyright Topher925) may be the best, or a 'serious amateur' which may need/want the ability to change out lenses, or some other category of user. The end user may know something about photography or may know nothing at all. It's hard to come up with completely generic guidelines and recommendations when there are so many applications.

If we can come up with a decent document, it's probably worth elevating this thread to a 'sticky' status.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
... I think most of us on this thread are dancing around the central issue, which is expressly distinguishing between the casual snapshooter, for which a simple superzoom 'P&S' (copyright Topher925) may be the best, or a 'serious amateur' which may need/want the ability to change out lenses, or some other category of user. The end user may know something about photography or may know nothing at all. It's hard to come up with completely generic guidelines and recommendations when there are so many applications. ...

Good point. I know several people that decided to "get into photography" and bought high-end SLRs and accessories without consulting anyone but the camera store salesperson. They snapped a few rolls of film and then got tired of hauling around all that equipment. So, now they think of photography as a hassle, and the cameras sit in the closet.
 
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Andre said:
Most older point and shoots don't do much when the button is not depressed. So it would have to focus and meter the light first, and make some decisions between depressing the button and actually making the pic. In the movie mode these functions are likely active continuously.

Also all non reflex cameras struggle a bit with auto focussing using contrast detection. That takes a lot of calculating, think in half seconds. However, the mirror system in an SLR allows for phase detection which is much faster, think in milli seconds.

This also means that when you don't use the view finder but the life preview mode of the modern SLR's that the mirror locks up, disabling the phase detection. So then you also lack the speed of the phase detection as it has to revert to a phase detection mode again for the focus. Canon also has a (selectable) hybrid solution for that, if you hit the separate focus button, the mirror drops, the phase detection auto focus activates and after focussing the mirror locks up again. A bit too complex for my likings.

Next ..but what camera to buy?

Wow thanks for the advice Andre. That explains why it takes so long for the shutter to click. For $300 I thought that it would work faster than it does. I think I should explain the reason I posted a video in post 11. It represents the typical situation I am up against with wildlife still photos here in the desert.

LOL Nothing is slow here except the desert tortoise.
 
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Andy Resnick said:
If we can come up with a decent document, it's probably worth elevating this thread to a 'sticky' status.
Not sure if it's appropriate for PF to post an 'official' document on what is, in essence, a bunch of opinions (wise and educated as they may be) on products.
 
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pantaz said:
Good point. I know several people that decided to "get into photography" and bought high-end SLRs and accessories without consulting anyone but the camera store salesperson. They snapped a few rolls of film and then got tired of hauling around all that equipment. So, now they think of photography as a hassle, and the cameras sit in the closet.

Absolutely, but there is a lot of difference between passion for creative expression in visual images and keeping up with the Jonesses, showing off an expensive black gadget with a long hooter in front (preferably white) and lots of interesting buttons.

You're ready for an DSLR if you use your P&S a lot and you realize that you can't shoot this image, but if that's what you want.

Edit: Such a subject simply moves too fast to focus with contrast detection. Notice that this is also still a bit of luck with the limitations on the relatively simple focus system of the 550D entry level camera (one cross type phase sensor and eight single direction sensors). That's where the more expensive semi professional models like the 7D comes into view with a far more sophiscated focussing system (19 cross type sensors).
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Not sure if it's appropriate for PF to post an 'official' document on what is, in essence, a bunch of opinions (wise and educated as they may be) on products.

I think it's entirely possible to provide a fact-based set of criteria that is product-independent: I do not endorse any particular manufacturer. For example, discussing basic imaging (setting the aperture stop: depth-of-field vs. low light, for example), different kinds of aberrations and which ones are more critical (distortion, chromatic, coma) the trade-offs between P&S and DSLR, product lifetimes (i.e. the lens vs. the camera body for a DSLR), CCD basics, autofocusing, etc. and provide links to sites dedicated to testing specific products.
 
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To add to that, I talk Canon a lot because I'm rather familiar with that breed, but I thought that I gave an honest objective overview in this post

Andre said:
So which Camera to choose? If you'd opt for the bridge camera, this may be an interesting comparison.

For DSLR brands: ...

Anyway talking about buying camera's, most amazingly, if all goes well, I may trade my 550D with a 7D tomorrow. WOW
 
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Andre said:
Anyway talking about buying camera's, most amazingly, if all goes well, I may trade my 550D with a 7D tomorrow. WOW
Wow! Nice upgrade!
 
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I am still thinking about buying 7, but we decided to invest in lenses first.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Not sure if it's appropriate for PF to post an 'official' document on what is, in essence, a bunch of opinions (wise and educated as they may be) on products.

In the interest of 'putting my money where my mouth is', here's what I propose:

I don't know what the procedure/rules are for submitting/approving a sticky. If a moderator/admin gives me an idea of what is involved (and it's reasonable), I'm willing to recruit a team and generate a sticky for this topic.

I quickly wrote down a preliminary outline for the document based on what I cover in class (physics 1/2), to give an idea of what I have in mind. Comments/suggestions are obviously welcome (and will be solicited, should I decide to move forward).


What camera should I buy?

A: It depends. The best camera for you is the camera that meets your needs. While FB cannot recommend a specific camera (for various reasons), we can provide technical information that will help you better understand the material contained in other review sites.

I've never owned a camera (besides what is in my cell phone and laptop). I want to take one-handed pictures at parties and post them on my homepage or email them to my friends.

A: a compact point and shoot camera is likely the best option- everything is automatic, all you need to do is point the camera at what you want to take a picture of, zoom in or out until you like the image, and press the button. Usually, these cameras have an automatic flash, so make sure you know how to turn it off: flash photography is often forbidden in museums, churches, etc. Because this camera does everything for you, you give up having control over most or all of the parameters discussed below. Most likely,you will either outgrow this camera or need to replace it in about 1 or 2 years.

How digital cameras work
Bayer filter
maximizing the light onto the CCD- lower noise levels
maximizing the depth of field- small aperture
Dynamic range
optical zoom vs digital zoom
basic concepts: magnification, resolution, white balance

I've never owned a camera, but I want to get a 'real' camera (that doesn't cost too much).
I've owned a point and shoot camera already and I want to take the next step.


A: Usually called 'bridge cameras' or 'micro cameras', these cameras will allow you to have manual control over certain parameters: the f-stop, shutter speed, ISO setting, etc. The lens is generally attached permanently. This type of camera can remain useful for about 3-5 years before technological improvements make it obsolete. This is where life gets interesting- there is a huge range of options, performance, and pricing here.

f-stop: what is it
depth of field
ISO- what does it mean
exposure bracketing
focal length and magnification
using a histogram
post-processing
pixel size vs signal to noise
'Rule of 16'
ISO let's you set a faster shutter speed at any aperture. (boost the ISO for low light imaging). Boosting the ISO increases the noise level.
macro imaging
autofocus
image size and final 'print' size
sharpness/resolution
shutter speed: motion blur
misc: memory cards, CCD vs CMOS,

I'm ready for a DSLR!

A: These cameras are generally designed for people whose livlihoods depend on getting paid for their pictures: photojournalists and artists, for example. The lens performance is more critical now. In addition, a high quality lens will continue to deliver excellent performance long after the camera body is obsolete.

Classification of lenses: wide-angle, normal, portrait, telephoto, zoom, special (tilt/shift, fisheye, macro, reflex/catadiopteric)
35mm and 4 x 5 camera specifications
Lens aberrations: 2+ 5 primary (piston, tilt, defocus, distortion, spherical, coma, astigmatism, field curvature) _+ 2 chromatic (lateral and longitudinal). There are also higher-order aberrations.
Lens designations: plan, apochromatic, aspheric, etc
Flare
Bokeh (positive vs. negative spherical aberration)
sensor format: DX, FX, etc
image stabilization: lens/camera/tripod, mirror lockup
filters: color, gradient, polarizing
hyperfocal distance
misc: flash, lens adapters/teleconverters

I want to get the best digital camera there is and I don't care how much it costs.

A: PF does not endorse any camera manufacturer or lens manufacturer.

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I will discuss the thing with other Mentors. I feel the problem is a little bit circular. Hard to make a decision of making a sticky not seeing the post, hard to start a work not knowing if it will be sticky.
 
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Borek said:
I will discuss the thing with other Mentors. I feel the problem is a little bit circular. Hard to make a decision of making a sticky not seeing the post, hard to start a work not knowing if it will be sticky.
We have a sticky on buying telescopes, though, and that is a complex subject with all kinds of variables and compromises. One big difference is that camera technology can change quickly, but that shouldn't be that much of a problem, if we stick to generalities and link to reviews, etc. People who are going to dump more than a few hundred dollars into camera-gear should expect to have to do research, but it would be nice to offer them some guidance, too. The learning-curve for consumer camera gear (especially DSLRs) can be daunting, and it's not fair to leave members at the mercy of salespeople at Best Buy when we could clear up some misconceptions.

Not to slam Best Buy - I got one heck of a deal on a second 30D body and an F-series 28-135 zoom when the 40Ds hit the stores, thanks to a salesperson I met on another forum.
 
<h2>What factors should I consider when choosing a camera?</h2><p>When choosing a camera, it is important to consider your budget, your photography needs and preferences, the camera's features and specifications, and the brand and model's reputation and reviews.</p><h2>Should I buy a DSLR or a mirrorless camera?</h2><p>This depends on your photography style and preferences. DSLR cameras are better for action and sports photography, while mirrorless cameras are more compact and better for video and travel photography.</p><h2>What are the most important camera features to look for?</h2><p>The most important features to consider are the sensor size, resolution, ISO range, autofocus system, and shooting modes. These factors will determine the quality and versatility of your photos.</p><h2>What is a good budget for a beginner photographer's camera?</h2><p>A good budget for a beginner photographer's camera is typically around $500-$1000. This will give you access to a wide range of entry-level DSLR and mirrorless cameras with decent features and image quality.</p><h2>Should I buy a camera with a kit lens or invest in separate lenses?</h2><p>This depends on your budget and photography needs. Kit lenses are a good starting point for beginners, but investing in separate lenses can greatly improve your photography and give you more creative control.</p>

What factors should I consider when choosing a camera?

When choosing a camera, it is important to consider your budget, your photography needs and preferences, the camera's features and specifications, and the brand and model's reputation and reviews.

Should I buy a DSLR or a mirrorless camera?

This depends on your photography style and preferences. DSLR cameras are better for action and sports photography, while mirrorless cameras are more compact and better for video and travel photography.

What are the most important camera features to look for?

The most important features to consider are the sensor size, resolution, ISO range, autofocus system, and shooting modes. These factors will determine the quality and versatility of your photos.

What is a good budget for a beginner photographer's camera?

A good budget for a beginner photographer's camera is typically around $500-$1000. This will give you access to a wide range of entry-level DSLR and mirrorless cameras with decent features and image quality.

Should I buy a camera with a kit lens or invest in separate lenses?

This depends on your budget and photography needs. Kit lenses are a good starting point for beginners, but investing in separate lenses can greatly improve your photography and give you more creative control.

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