Finding Roots and Continuity of Functions

In summary, the conversation discusses solving a polynomial equation and proving the existence of a real root. It also addresses the continuity of a function and clarifies the meaning of a mathematical notation. The conversation includes techniques for solving a 3rd degree equation and using the odd degree theorem to prove the existence of a root. The main point is to use continuity to show that a solution exists for the equation.
  • #1
dekoi
I recently finished a homework assignment with the exceptions of the following:

1.) f(x) =x^3 - x^2 + x, show there is a number c such that f(c)=10.

f(x) can be equated to 10, but I'm not quite sure how to solve the equation from that point.

2.) Prove that the equation has at least one real root.

e^x = 2 - x

In order to understand this question, i attempted to carry the same procedure with another equation: y = x^2 + x + 2. If the discriminant is 0, then there is a single root. If the discriminant is <0, no roots, and >0, multiple roots. But the same procedure doesn't work with the above equation, or for cubics, quartics, etc.

3.) For what values of x is F continuous?

f(x) = [ 0 if x is rational, 1 if x is irrational

I understand that the function can never be continuous, since it oscillates between 0 and 1 infinitely. But can anyone clarify what the following text means:
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/equations/DirichletFunction/equation3.gif
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
  • #2
1) You want to show that there is some x solving the equation:

x³ - x² + x - 10 = 0

Well you know the polynomial p defined by p(x) = x³ - x² + x - 10 is continuous, so you can apply the intermediate value theorem. That is, if you can find a number x' such that p(x') < 0 and a number x'' such that p(x'') > 0 then you know that there is a number c between x' and x'' (x' may be larger than x'' or may be smaller, doesn't matter) such that p(c) = 0, and such a c will be the c you're looking for.

2) Try same technique as above.

3) You're right that f is not continuous, but are you sure you know why? The function that is 0 on (0,1) then 1 on (1,2) then 0 again on (2,3) then 1 on (3, 4) then 0 on (4,5) then 1 on (5,6), etc. also "oscillates" between 0 and 1, but it has many points of continuity. Also, I don't know if "oscillates" is the correct term. Chances are you know why f is nowhere continuous, and your justification, "since it oscillates between 0 and 1 infinitely" was just an abbreviated version of the actual reasoning, but just in case it's not and you think that statement is sufficient, you should probably do a [itex]\epsilon - \delta[/itex] proof to be sure you know why. Either way, it would be good exercise to do the proof.

What is it that you don't understand about the function [itex]D_M[/itex]? It is 0 when x is irrational, and 1/b when x is rational. But what's b? Well when x is rational, it can be expressed as the ratio of two integers, i.e. as a/b. For each rational you know there is a reduced form, so 2/4, 100/200, and 1/2 are all the same number but 1/2 is the reduced form. In this case, b=2, so f(100/200) = f(0.5) = f(1/2) = 1/2. Another example, f(100/150) = 1/3. This function is continuous at every irrational and discontinuous at every rational. Can you prove it?
 
  • #3
Here is how to solve a 3rd degree equation;

General cubic form:
y^3 + by^2 + cy + d=0

1.Let y=x-b/3

show that;

x^3 + px + q=0

2.In the equation
x^3 + px + q=0

Let x=H+K, such as 3HK=-p

3.Show that

-q=H^3 + K^3

4.Solve for K in 3HK=-p and replace in H^3 + K^3=-q then show that

H=(-q/2 +/- (q^2/4 + p^3/27)^1/2)^1/3

5. Repeating step 3 and 4 we find out that

K=(-q/2 +/- (q^2/4 + p^3/27)^1/2)^1/3 also.

6.Since x=H+K, then

x=(-q/2 +/- (q^2/4 + p^3/27)^1/2)^1/3 + (-q/2 +/- (q^2/4 +p^3/27)^1/2)^1/3

Then solve for y.
 
  • #4
Oh, please don't! The point of this problem was NOT to solve the equation but to use continuity to show that it HAS a solution.
f(x)= x3 - x^2 + x

f(0)= 0, f(1)= 1- 1+1= 2, f(2)= 8- 4+ 2= 6, f(3)= 27- 9+ 3= 21!

I now know, because f(x) is a polynomial and so continuous for all x, that there exist a number x (in fact, between 2 and 3) such that f(x)= 10.
 
  • #5
You could also use the odd degree theorem;

x^3 - x^2 + x -10, has to have a solution c such as f(c)=0

Proof: For a large positive value of x^3, x^3> x^2 + 10 - x
then f(x)>0
For a small negative value of x, x^3 <x^2 + 10 - x
then f(x)<0

Since the function is continuous, it has to have a 0.
 

What is a function?

A function is a mathematical relationship between an input and an output, where each input has exactly one corresponding output. In other words, it maps each input to a unique output.

What is the domain and range of a function?

The domain of a function is the set of all possible input values for which the function is defined. The range is the set of all possible output values that the function can produce.

What is the difference between a continuous and discontinuous function?

A continuous function is one that can be graphed without any breaks or gaps. This means that the function can be drawn without lifting the pen from the paper. On the other hand, a discontinuous function has breaks or gaps in its graph, where the function is not defined at certain points.

What is the definition of continuity?

Continuity refers to the property of a function where the output at a specific point is very close to the output at a nearby point. In other words, the function does not have any sudden jumps or breaks in its graph.

How can I determine if a function is continuous?

A function is continuous if the limit of the function at a point is equal to the value of the function at that point. In other words, the left-hand limit, right-hand limit, and the actual value of the function at that point are all equal. Additionally, a function is continuous if it is defined and differentiable at that point.

Similar threads

  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
16
Views
395
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
14
Views
588
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
6
Views
392
  • Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
Replies
3
Views
828
  • Precalculus Mathematics Homework Help
Replies
12
Views
474
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
13
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • Introductory Physics Homework Help
Replies
7
Views
673
Back
Top