Definite Integral Explained: Negative & Positive Areas

In summary, the area may be negative but that the area must be positive in order to calculate the area between two curves.
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Can anyone explain this to me? What does if mean that the area may sometimes be negative but that the area must be positive??
 
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The integral "area" may come out negative, but physical areas like "floor space" cannot be negative.
This means you have to be careful about when the areas under the x-axis are subtracted.
 
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What that pitiful "explanation" is trying to say is that if the function ##f## assumes both positive and negative values, then the definite integral of ##f## is the difference of two areas:
$$\int_a^b f(x) dx = A_1 - A_2$$
where ##A_1## is the area between the ##x## axis and the positive part of the function, and ##A_2## is the area between the ##x## axis and the negative part of the function.

In the picture in your attachment, area ##A_1## is approximated by the first four and last two rectangles, and ##A_2## is approximated by the middle five rectangles.

[edit]: By pitiful "explanation" I mean of course the one in your image attachment, not in the response given by Simon Bridge.:tongue:
 
  • #4
It doesn't say that. If you read it correctly you will see that it says 'the "area" may be negative but area is always positive'. The first "area" is in quotes which means that it is using the word in a very loose sense. It is saying that the integral you get, which if it were above the x-axis would be the area, is negative so cannot be the actual area.
 
  • #5
@grace77: In case you are still confused about this, you should remember that the formula for the area between two curves between ##x=a## and ##x=b## is always$$
A =\int_a^b y_{upper}-y_{lower}~dx$$Students get used to working problems where ##f(x)\ge 0## on ##[a,b]## with ##\int_a^bf(x)~dx## which works since ##y_{upper}=f(x)## and ##y_{lower}=0##, the ##x## axis. But when you are calculating the area between a curve and the ##x## axis, and the curve crosses the ##x## axis, ##x## axis is now the upper curve, and on that portion ##y_{upper}-y_{lower}## becomes ##0-f(x)##, which changes the sign of the integrand on that portion. You normally break such integrals into two or more parts to work them.
 
  • #6
Having a positive or negative area indicates its direction above or below the axis.
For example:

$$ \int^{1}_{0}-x^{2}dx=\left[-\dfrac{1}{3}x^{3}\right]^{1}_{0} $$
##= -\dfrac{1}{3} ##

This indicates, that between x=0 and x=1 for x2, there is a 1/3 area2 DOWNWARDS (below the x-axis in this case)

For finding the area, for example, as mentioned above, floor-space, you take the absolute value of the integral. That is:

$$ \left|\int^{1}_{0}-x^{2}dx\right|=\left|\left[-\dfrac{1}{3}x^{3}\right]^{1}_{0}\right| $$
##=\left|-\dfrac{1}{3}\right| ##
##=\dfrac{1}{3}## units2
 
  • #7
Also remember that it can be easier to do these problems with respect to x or y.


Remember to split your integral from [a, b] into smaller" pieces if there are sharp(cusps) or the curves where the area is bounded by intersect. Your book should explain. I believe there are 4 scenarios from the top of my head.

Would you like an example?
 
  • #8
Also use of symmetry can make the problem (computational wise) easier. And some people prefer to use the integral from b to a of THE HIGHEST FUNCTION - MINUS THE LO WEST FUNCTION

Instead of the taking the absolute value. I believe the first option is best because it allows you to get an intuitive feel for the application aspects. Such as finance, bio, Chem problems.
 

1. What is a definite integral?

A definite integral is a mathematical concept used to calculate the area under a curve. It is represented by the symbol ∫ and has a lower and upper limit, which define the range of values over which the area is being calculated.

2. What is the difference between negative and positive areas in a definite integral?

In a definite integral, negative areas occur when the area under the curve is below the x-axis, while positive areas occur when the area is above the x-axis. Negative areas are represented by a negative value, while positive areas are represented by a positive value.

3. How do you calculate the total area using a definite integral?

To calculate the total area using a definite integral, you need to find the indefinite integral of the function, then substitute the upper and lower limits into the equation. The result of this calculation will give you the total area under the curve.

4. Can a definite integral have both positive and negative areas?

Yes, a definite integral can have both positive and negative areas. This is because the integral represents the net area between the curve and the x-axis. If the positive and negative areas cancel each other out, the total area will be equal to zero.

5. What is the practical application of definite integrals?

Definite integrals have various practical applications, including calculating distance traveled by an object with varying velocity, finding the total amount of water flowing in a river, and determining the total amount of energy produced by a power plant. They are also used in physics, engineering, economics, and other fields to solve real-world problems.

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