Velocity and Phase Velocity of Matter Wave

In summary: Group velocity, vg, is the speed of the wave packet (or collection of wave packets) and is related to the phase velocity by vg=c2/v.
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In quantum mechanics, what is the difference between velocity and phase velocity of matter wave? How can it also be that phase velocity of matter wave always exceeds the speed of light?
 
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Wikipedia has to nice illustrations how phase and group velocity can be different, see the article about phase velocity.
In addition, it answers your second question.
 
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Yes, the animations on that Wikipedia page are very nice! :!)
 
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What then, is the difference between the velocity,v and phase velocity, vp in the lowest section? What is the physical implication behind these?
 
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Group velocity is similar to the classical velocity - the speed of particles and signals (this is an approximation, but I don't want to go into details). You emit something at point a, measure it after time t at point b, and calculate the group velocity as (b-a)/t.
Phase velocity and wavelength are important in quantum mechanics and interference effects.
 
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No. I understand the difference between PHASE and GROUP velocities, but find it difficult to visualise the difference between PHASE velocity and ''PURELY'' velocity. The following is an equation copied from the wikipedia link:

Using relativistic relations for energy and momentum, we have
vp=c2/v.

My essential question is, what is the difference between vp and v here? Isn't vp=ω/κ, the same idea as the ''PURE'' velocity of wave?
 
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Sorry, what is that "purely velocity" you are talking about? The wikipedia page uses group velocity there.
Wikipedia said:
The variable v can either be taken to be the speed of the particle or the group velocity of the corresponding matter wave.
 
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hschia said:
My essential question is, what is the difference between vp and v here? Isn't vp=ω/κ, the same idea as the ''PURE'' velocity of wave?
v = vg = [itex]\frac{\partial \omega}{\partial k}[/itex], that is, group velocity equals the velocity of the particle associated with the wave or wave packet.

(Signal velocity can be different from group velocity and doesn't necessarily have the invariant relationship group velocity has with phase velocity)vp = ω/κ = c = vg for a non-dispersive medium only. Otherwise vp increases as vg decreases and vp vg = c2.

Phase velocity, vp = ω/κ, is the velocity in which a surface in the medium (across which the phase is constant) travels.
That is, the surface is mathematical - not associated with any physical surface.
 
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1. What is the difference between velocity and phase velocity of matter waves?

Velocity refers to the rate of change of position over time, while phase velocity refers to the rate of change of phase over time. In matter waves, velocity is related to the physical movement of the wave, while phase velocity is related to the oscillation of the wave.

2. How is the velocity of matter waves determined?

The velocity of matter waves is determined by the de Broglie wavelength, which is calculated by dividing Planck's constant by the momentum of the particle. This wavelength is then used to calculate the velocity of the wave using the wave equation.

3. What factors can affect the velocity of matter waves?

The velocity of matter waves can be affected by the mass and energy of the particle, as well as external factors such as electric and magnetic fields. The medium through which the wave is traveling can also impact its velocity.

4. Can the phase velocity of matter waves exceed the speed of light?

No, the phase velocity of matter waves cannot exceed the speed of light. This is because matter waves are bound by the laws of special relativity, which states that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light.

5. How does the phase velocity of matter waves relate to the group velocity?

The group velocity of a matter wave is the velocity at which the overall amplitude of the wave propagates, while the phase velocity is the velocity at which the individual wave peaks move. In most cases, the group velocity is equal to the phase velocity, but there are certain situations where they can differ.

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