System with varying mass - String

In summary, the conversation discusses the problem of a string with a varying mass that is placed near a hole on a horizontal and smooth table. The string is disturbed at one end and moves down through the hole while the remaining part stays at rest on the table. The conversation poses four questions, including finding the velocity and position of the string as functions of time, the velocity of the string when it completely leaves the table, and the time it takes for the whole string to leave the table. A differential equation is suggested as a possible solution to the problem, but one participant expresses doubt due to the possibility of friction.
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System with varying mass --- String

A string of mass M and length L is placed near a hole on the top of a horizontal and smooth table. A slight disturbance is given to one end of the string at time t = 0 so that it leaves the table through the hole. Assume the string on the table remains at rest while the remaining part is moving down. Denote the length of the string under the table as y and the speed of the string that is moving down by v.

Find:
1. v as a function of y
2. y as a function of t
3. the velocity of string when the whole string leaves the table
4. the time when the whole string leaves the table

[ Use the D.E. dy/dx + y P(x) = Q(x) to solve the problem. ]

I don't know how to do the first 2 questions. Please give me some ideas.
~ Thank you ~
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Here is my idea:
By considering the momentum
Fext= M dv/dt + (v-u) dM/dt -----★
(Resnick, Halliday--Physics 4th edt., Ch.9)
Fext= Mg , u=0 (remaining part rest at table)
dM/dt = ρdy/dt
∴ ★ becomes :
dv/dt + v(1/L)dy/dt = g
 
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Assume the string on the table remains at rest while the remaining part is moving down.
! impossible.
Friction ?
 

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