Simultaneity of events in 2 dimensions

In summary, a group of engineers discussed the concept of special relativity in two dimensions, specifically in relation to two lights floating in space and a spaceship traveling at .8c. They questioned whether an observer and the crew of the spaceship would see the lights flash simultaneously at a certain time. The conclusion was that due to the symmetry of the problem, both parties would see the flashes simultaneously.
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Hi all,

I am not a physicist. Some engineer friends of mine and I have a question about special relativity in two dimensions. To set it up, there are 2 lights floating in space parallel to the x-axis and a spaceship is traveling at .8c flying parallel to the y-axis towards the midpoint of the line connecting the lights. Then at some time, t, an observer, o1, between the lights at the midpoint flashes both of them simultaneously.

I drew a quick diagram which is attached.

1. The observer o1 will see both flash simultaneously

2. At a different time t', the crew of the spaceship will also see both flash simultaneously because of the symmetry of the problem.

Is our understanding correct?
 

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Welcome to PF!

Hi techdirect! Welcome to PF! :smile:
techdirect said:
1. The observer o1 will see both flash simultaneously

2. At a different time t', the crew of the spaceship will also see both flash simultaneously because of the symmetry of the problem.

Is our understanding correct?

Completely! :biggrin:

(and, more generally, even if the spaceship was not in line with o, but was still moving parallel to the y-axis, even though it would not see the flashes at the same time, it would calculate that they happened at the same time)
 
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Hi there,

Your understanding is correct. In special relativity, simultaneity is relative and depends on the observer's frame of reference. In this scenario, the observer o1 is at rest relative to the lights, so they will see both lights flash simultaneously. However, the crew on the spaceship is moving at .8c, so they will experience time dilation and length contraction. This means that from their perspective, the distance between the lights will appear shorter and time will appear to pass slower. As a result, they will also see both lights flash simultaneously at a different time t'. This is known as the relativity of simultaneity.

The key concept here is that events that appear simultaneous to one observer may not appear simultaneous to another observer in a different frame of reference. This is one of the fundamental principles of special relativity and has been confirmed through numerous experiments and observations.

I hope this helps clarify your understanding of the simultaneity of events in two dimensions. If you have any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Thank you for bringing up this interesting topic!
 

What is the concept of simultaneity of events in 2 dimensions?

The concept of simultaneity of events in 2 dimensions refers to the occurrence of two events at the same time, as measured by an observer in a two-dimensional space. This means that the observer sees both events happening simultaneously, even though they may be in different locations in the two-dimensional space.

How is simultaneity of events in 2 dimensions different from simultaneity in 3 dimensions?

In 3 dimensions, the concept of simultaneity is relative and can vary depending on the observer's frame of reference. However, in 2 dimensions, there is no such variation as there is only one dimension of time, making simultaneity absolute in this context.

What role does time dilation play in the concept of simultaneity in 2 dimensions?

Time dilation, a phenomenon predicted by Einstein's theory of relativity, states that time can appear to pass at different rates for two observers in relative motion. In the context of simultaneity in 2 dimensions, time dilation can affect the perception of simultaneous events for observers in different frames of reference.

Can simultaneous events in 2 dimensions be used to measure the speed of light?

Yes, the concept of simultaneity in 2 dimensions can be used to measure the speed of light. This is because the speed of light is constant in all frames of reference, meaning that simultaneous events can be observed at different distances from the source of the light, allowing for the calculation of its speed.

How does the curvature of space-time affect the concept of simultaneity in 2 dimensions?

The curvature of space-time, another aspect of Einstein's theory of relativity, can affect the perception of simultaneity in 2 dimensions. This is because the curvature of space-time can cause time to appear to pass at different rates for observers in different locations, leading to variations in the perception of simultaneous events.

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