Help with a Helmholtz-like equation

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In summary, the problem is that I don't know how to find the solution to a problem that is described as follows: (\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 G(\vec{x},\vec{x}')=\delta(\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) where K is a scalar and x is three dimensional. I attempted to solve the problem by applying (\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 to my proposed solution and then solving for A and B, but this got a bit tricky because I started getting derivatives of the delta function. However, I did come up with a solution that is as follows:
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I am trying to find the solution to a problem defined as follows:

[tex]
(\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 G(\vec{x},\vec{x}')=\delta(\vec{x}'-\vec{x})
[/tex]

where K is simply a constant and x is three dimensional.

[tex]
A \left[ e^{-K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}-\vec{x}') + e^{K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) \right]
+ B \left[ (\vec{x}-\vec{x}') e^{-K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}-\vec{x}') + (\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) e^{K(\vec{x}-\vec{x}')}H(\vec{x}'-\vec{x}) \right]
[/tex]
Here, H is the step function.

and I am trying to find A and B such that the first equation is satisfied. Does anyone have any advice on how to proceed?

My initial guess was to apply [tex] (\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 [/tex] to my proposed solution and then solve for A and B. This gets a bit tricky since once I start taking derivatives I get derivatives of the delta function.
 
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DrJekyll said:
[tex]
(\partial_x^2-K^2)^2 G(\vec{x},\vec{x}')=\delta(\vec{x}'-\vec{x})
[/tex]
Hmm, I have never had to deal with problem like that. It seems to me a nonlinear operator.

DrJekyll said:
This gets a bit tricky since once I start taking derivatives I get derivatives of the delta function.

But I frequently encountered derivatives of the delta function. I would integrate both sides such that the derivatives of the Dirac Delta is part of the integrand. and then

[tex]\int^{+\infty}_{-\infty}\delta^{'}(t)f(t)dt=-f^{'}(t)[/tex]
 
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Why do you think it's nonlinear?

It's actually linear, I mean we have a fourth order PDE:

[tex](\partial_x^2-K^2)^2= \partial_x^4 -2\partial_x^2 K^2 +K^4[/tex]
remember that K is a scalar operator and thus it commutes with any other operator.

As for the question itself, I guess you know the recipe for finding Green function,
Do I need to repeat it? (cause I myself kinda keep forgetting).
 
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I'm no good with Green's functions, hence the post. However I did come up with a solution:

First, I know the solution to
[tex]
(\partial_x^2 - K^2)G(x,x') = F(x)
[/tex]
is
[tex]
-\int dx' F(x') \frac{e^{-K |x-x'|}}{2 K}
[/tex]

So we just need to look for the function that produces -1/2K times the exponentials and step functions when operated on by the above.

Turns out that this produces [tex] A = \frac{1}{4K^3} [/tex] and [tex] B=\frac{1}{4K^2}[/tex]

Maple spat this answer out earlier, but it is hard to trust maple unless you already know the answer.
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
Why do you think it's nonlinear?

It's actually linear, I mean we have a fourth order PDE:

[tex](\partial_x^2-K^2)^2= \partial_x^4 -2\partial_x^2 K^2 +K^4[/tex]

Do you mean [tex](\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}})^{2}=\frac{\partial^{4}}{\partial x^{4}}[/tex]?
 
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Yes.
[tex](\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}})^2=(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})[/tex].

Think of it as multiplication of operators.
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
Yes.
[tex](\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}})^2=(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})(\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2})[/tex].

Think of it as multiplication of operators.

Ok, Thanks. I thought it was the power of the second partial derivative.
 

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A Helmholtz-like equation is a partial differential equation that describes the propagation of waves in a medium with a constant speed of sound. It is commonly used in physics and engineering to model various phenomena such as sound, light, and electromagnetic waves.

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