CNN: It's McCain and Palin

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In summary, John McCain has chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. Palin is a relatively unknown politician who has only been in office for two years. She is a Republican and is likely to be a strong supporter of the oil industry. The VP debate is likely to be interesting, as Biden is likely to bully Palin.
  • #106
I like this. Unfortunately, these are very significant factors. Regardless of whether you're right about Obama & Biden together, it won't be an issue since they'll campaign separately. Biden will be a great VP on the campaign trail - and he does add something for those looking for some serious punch in terms of experience.
I see this relationship going the way of the Kennedy Johnson relationship. The more they learn about each others personal lives, the more they turn to hate of each other. It will be fun to watch.
 
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isly ilwott said:
Yes...like when Clinton and the Dem's policies caused manufacturing to move overseas, leaving GWB to blame for the loss of jobs.

It's the Democratic tax and spend policies that kill jobs here. The Republican spending policies have been worse lately, but at least they don't favor taxing us out of business.

Any one of the three others on the tickets would be a better President than Obama.

Your indictment of Clinton who enforced fiscal responsibility and actually built surpluses, that have been demolished to the near point of ruin as far as debt burden and mounting balance of payments and looming inflation and financial turmoil due to inadequate regulation and oversight - not to mention the foreign adventurism in the Middle East - looks to me to be rather unfounded.

How can Republicans who can't demonstrate fiscal responsibility - how ironic that Democrats managed it though - how can they be expected to lead the country out of slogging through the fiscal mess - a mess that they led the country into in the first place? Another tax cut? Another rebate?
 
  • #108
isly ilwott said:
Yes...like when Clinton and the Dem's policies caused manufacturing to move overseas, leaving GWB to blame for the loss of jobs.

It's the Democratic tax and spend policies that kill jobs here. The Republican spending policies have been worse lately, but at least they don't favor taxing us out of business.

Any one of the three others on the tickets would be a better President than Obama.

Are you being rational?
 
  • #109
Evo said:
In what ways? I don't see her qualified in any way as a President. What does she know about foreign affairs? How could she possibly be fit to be the Commander in Chief of the military?

This is what kills me about people voting for a President based on "family moral values" and how religious they are.

With McCain's advanced age and history of medical problems, it is very likely that she could end up as President, and that to me is completely unacceptable.
You have no clue regarding why I consider her better suited to be President than is Barack Obama. It has little to do with how I rate her moral values or religiousness. Your presumption is just as ludicrous as those made by others who automatically assume that to say anything against Barack Obama is a racist thing to do.

It is my humble but firmly held opinion that Barack Obama will be the worst thing to happen to the USA in decades if he is elected President. I'd rather have Biden than Obama as President. I'd rather have McCain than Obama. I'd rather have Palin than Obama. I'd rather have Sandy (my neighbor's Yellow Lab) than Obama. ANYBODY but Obama!

You see, in that light, my statement has nothing to do with Palin's "family moral values" and how religious she may be perceived to be. I do appreciate her stance on abortion and the decision to knowingly bring a Down syndrome child into her family rather than have its little body parts sucked out into a vacuum cleaner as Barack Obama apparently would allow.
 
  • #110
She does seem to have a sense of humor, she named two of her kids Trig & Track.
 
  • #111
isly ilwott said:
You have no clue regarding why I consider her better suited to be President than is Barack Obama. It has little to do with how I rate her moral values or religiousness. Your presumption is just as ludicrous as those made by others who automatically assume that to say anything against Barack Obama is a racist thing to do.
I asked you "in what ways?" I didn't presume anything. I stated "my" opinions. You still need to answer my question since you assigned a truth value to your statement.

I suggest you go back and reread my post since you obvioulsy misread it.
 
  • #112
LowlyPion said:
While he was maybe the best in his time let's don't get too carried away in that regard.

I'd say I certainly have some concerns about how bright and capable she is. Clinging to notions such as Intelligent Design makes one wonder about what kind of scientists she might rely on as President to make decisions about global warming or energy policies or a whole host of other technological issues.

Clinging too to pro-life beliefs - presumably adamantly opposed then to stem cell research - and anti-abortion - marks her as someone swayed by religious ideology over serving the needs of the rest of the population that is not ideologically so inclined. Imposing the tyranny of right wing evangelical belief on the entire population is not exactly in the spirit of the US Constitution.

Unfortunately the only thing that would separate the country from such dismal prospects of dealing with such a person in the White House would be McCain's health. And that is a very scary thought to me that such a person could arrive at such a position of power.
You make some very solid points. She has some skeletons in her closet. :-)
To bad we don't have intelligent design in the election process, so we don't have to be talking about the likes of Palin, McCain, Biden, and Obama.
 
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An interesting article on McCain's pick.

6 things the Palin pick says about McCain

The risks of a backlash from choosing someone so unknown and so untested are obvious. In one swift stroke, McCain demolished what had been one of his main arguments against Obama.

“I think we’re going to have to examine our tag line, ‘dangerously inexperienced,’” a top McCain official said wryly

2. He’s willing to gamble — bigtime. Let’s face it: This is not the pick of a self-confident candidate. It is the political equivalent of a trick play or, as some Democrats called it, a Hail Mary pass in football. McCain talks incessantly about experience, and then goes and selects a woman he hardly knows, who hardly knows foreign policy and who can hardly be seen as instantly ready for the presidency.

There is no plausible way that McCain could say that he picked Palin, who was only elected governor in 2006 and whose most extended public service was as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 8,471), because she was ready to be president on Day One.

Nor can McCain argue that he was looking for someone he could trust as a close adviser. Most people know the staff at the local Starbucks better than McCain knows Palin. They met for the first time last February at a National Governors Association meeting in Washington. Then, they spoke again — by phone — on Sunday while she was at the Alaska state fair and he was at home in Arizona.

McCain has made a mockery out of his campaign's longtime contention that Barack Obama is too dangerously inexperienced to be commander in chief. Now, the Democratic ticket boasts 40 years of national experience (four years for Obama and 36 years for Joseph Biden of Delaware), while the Republican ticket has 26 (McCain’s four yeasr in the House and 22 in the Senate.)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/12997 [Broken]
 
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  • #114
castlegates said:
You make some very solid points. She has some skeletons in her closet. :-)
To bad we don't have intelligent design in the election process, so we don't have to be talking about the likes of Palin, McCain, Biden, and Obama.

Elections aren't about intelligent design. Because one person's intelligent design is another's phewww.

Elections are about selection - one of the driving forces of evolution - a process apparently denied by ID.
 
  • #115
castlegates said:
You make some very solid points. She has some skeletons in her closet. :-)
To bad we don't have intelligent design in the election process, so we don't have to be talking about the likes of Palin, McCain, Biden, and Obama.

That's funny. I actually think all four are high quality candidates if you look only at attributes distinct from their political positions.

I think Palin is comparable to Obama in 2004 - a very bright star, but about 8 to 12 years away from being qualified to be President.
 
  • #116
So how long until McCain tries to cheat on this wife with Palin? McCain has an obsession with trying to surround himself with attractive women.
 
  • #117
castlegates said:
She has some skeletons in her closet.

Unfortunately advocating evangelical beliefs is not a skeleton.

It's an indication of what she would subject others to if it was her prerogative. As the Governor of Alaska she can do little to affect that agenda, to impose her beliefs on the Supreme Court or carry national policy away from sound scientific basis. As President however, ...
 
  • #118
Evo said:
I asked you "in what ways?" I didn't presume anything. I stated "my" opinions. You still need to answer my question since you assigned a truth value to your statement.

I suggest you go back and reread my post since you obvioulsy misread it.
I think not.

You posted:
"In what ways? I don't see her qualified in any way as a President. What does she know about foreign affairs? How could she possibly be fit to be the Commander in Chief of the military?

This is what kills me about people voting for a President based on "family moral values" and how religious they are.

With McCain's advanced age and history of medical problems, it is very likely that she could end up as President, and that to me is completely unacceptable."

Pardon me if I mistakenly related that middle comment to my statement of support for Palin over Obama.

Foreign policy experts are a dime a dozen...good ones, maybe a buck a dozen. What President has not had multiple qualified advisors in every facet of government? I'm not worried about her lack of experience overseas. I am quite sure that with the same interpreters that Obama would need, she can talk turkey with any leader worthy of regard. I doubt she would be so anxious to parley with terrorists as Obama seems to be.

You see, I'm not worried about Obama's lack of experience either. I'm worried about his lack of good judgement. I'm worried about his socialist leanings. I'm worried about his apparent naivete regarding terrorists and what can be accomplished by talking with them.

Obama is still wet behind the ears.
 
  • #119
LowlyPion said:
Elections aren't about intelligent design. Because one person's intelligent design is another's phewww.

Elections are about selection - one of the driving forces of evolution - a process apparently denied by ID.

I have the distinct impression you missed my play on words. :-)
 
  • #120
BobG said:
I think Palin is comparable to Obama in 2004 - a very bright star, but about 8 to 12 years away from being qualified to be President.
I have to agree with Obama lacking experience.

I don't have a problem with a person being religious and following their beliefs in their personal life. It's when that person's religious beliefs can become law and tell me how I live my life that it becomes a real problem. Of course one can argue that everyone has personal beliefs that will affect the decisions they make in public office, but it seems to me that religious beliefs tend to be stronger and aren't always based on sound logic or even good sense and one could possibly be more easily swayed by pressure from religious groups. I don't believe that McCain is that deeply religious, and up until now I haven't been that worried about him, but I do believe that Palin, a devout Pentacostal, would be very scary as President.
 
  • #121
isly ilwott said:
I think not.

You posted:
That was a different paragraph and nothing to do with you. :rolleyes:
 
  • #122
Evo said:
That was a different paragraph and nothing to do with you. :rolleyes:

Be serious. How do you expect anyone who reads:

Originally Posted by isly ilwott
Palin would make a much better President than Obama.

In what ways? I don't see her qualified in any way as a President. What does she know about foreign affairs? How could she possibly be fit to be the Commander in Chief of the military?

This is what kills me about people voting for a President based on "family moral values" and how religious they are.

With McCain's advanced age and history of medical problems, it is very likely that she could end up as President, and that to me is completely unacceptable.
to think that the middle statement does not relate to the quoted statement?
 
  • #123
isly ilwott said:
Be serious. How do you expect anyone who reads:


to think that the middle statement does not relate to the quoted statement?
Because it has nothing to do with your quoted statement?
 
  • #124
In case anyone doesn't understand Palin's hairdo, Pentacostal women are discouraged from cutting their hair, or wear pants, among many other things that women are strongly discouraged from.
 
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  • #125
The notion that somebody would make a blanket statement about Palin being a better president than Obama before ANYTHING is known of her positions on national and international issues is hard to fathom. In matters of faith, political ideology, racial, or gender preferences, it is easy to make such sweeping statements, however illogical they may be, because the preference(s) drive the selection process. Right now, apart from her stances on faith, Intelligent Design, and reproductive rights, we know nothing of Palin. She may be smart, savvy, and well-informed on issues relevant to her potential position in the Executive branch, but right now, none of us have a clue. Even McCain had only met her once in person before asking her to be his running mate. That's a pretty reckless roll of the dice, IMO.
 
  • #126
LowlyPion said:
Unfortunately advocating evangelical beliefs is not a skeleton.
I'll rephrase ;-) It's a skeleton to any rational human being.

It's an indication of what she would subject others to if it was her prerogative.
As the sickness goes.
As the Governor of Alaska she can do little to affect that agenda, to impose her beliefs on the Supreme Court or carry national policy away from sound scientific basis.
Thank God for that <---- Thats a play on a word by the way.
As President however, ...
Pop goes the skeleton!
 
  • #127
castlegates said:
I have the distinct impression you missed my play on words. :-)

Apparently so.

Cheers.
 
  • #128
Evo said:
Because it has nothing to do with your quoted statement?
Then why put it in the response immediately following it? It appears to be part of your reply to my statement, attempting to imply that my motives are based on family moral values and religion.
 
  • #129
Evo said:
In case anyone doesn't understand Palin's hairdo, Pentacostal women are discouraged from cutting their hair, or wear pants, among many other things that women are strongly discouraged from.
You should see when they let it all hang down!
 
  • #130
isly ilwott said:
Then why put it in the response immediately following it? It appears to be part of your reply to my statement, attempting to imply that my motives are based on family moral values and religion.
Why would it appear that is was addressed at your quote when it had absolutely nothing to do with your quote? You're trying to create an issue where there is none. I've explained it to you already.
 
  • #131
Evo said:
..., but I do believe that Palin, a devout Pentacostal, would be very scary as President.

If she were to assume office as President, she would be Ralph Reed and Karl Rove's wildest wet dream scenario come true. At once they would be rid of McCain and have a Pentecostal puppet to front things for them.

Imagine the advisers she would surround herself with. Who she would appoint as VP. And cabinet choices.

Imagine how the country would countdown the days to the end of her term.
 
  • #132
LowlyPion said:
If she were to assume office as President, she would be Ralph Reed and Karl Rove's wildest wet dream scenario come true. At once they would be rid of McCain and have a Pentecostal puppet to front things for them.

Imagine the advisers she would surround herself with. Who she would appoint as VP. And cabinet choices.

Imagine how the country would countdown the days to the end of her term.
And don't forget Supreme Court justices. Activist right-wing justices who hew to her views would quickly spell the end to women's rights to reproductive choice at a minimum, and could end up being much more intrusive in social and educational systems and roll back environmental initiatives.
 
  • #133
turbo-1 said:
And don't forget Supreme Court justices. Activist right-wing justices who hew to her views would quickly spell the end to women's rights to reproductive choice at a minimum, and could end up being much more intrusive in social and educational systems and roll back environmental initiatives.

That of course depends upon her opportunity to appoint and surely we would hope they would at least survive her term.
 
  • #134
What is interesting is that for the first time in US history, we are either going to end up with a black President or female Vice-President.
 
  • #135
Evo said:
What is interesting is that for the first time in US history, we are either going to end up with a black President or female Vice-President.

Well at least "idiot" has been taken off the table.
 
  • #136
Just an observation about "inexperience" in both camps. basically that's heavily overrated. Experience brings about complacency (been there, done that) whereas inexperience should trigger eagerness to learn and adrenaline to help alertness and be better judges of the real situation, unbiased by "experience".

The major issue is superior leadership, the ability to judge accurately for taking the best position and motivate people to do the right thing. This is not depending on being male, female, black or white. The best natural leader I know, is my oldest daughter. I mean it; she is truly amazing.
 
  • #137
Some reactions from journalists and fellow politicians in Alaska:
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510249.html [Broken]
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510220.html [Broken]
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510048.html [Broken]
 
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  • #138
I heard her name come up about a month ago as a possibility but then after that, not another peep. They did a good job keeping the surprise under wraps.
 
  • #139
You hear all this talk about how Palin will help get the women's vote. I seriously doubt that. Who are these people that seem to think women are mindless sheeples? I'm personally appalled by her. She follows a religious belief of keeping women in their place as set forth in the bible and would take away a woman's right to choose (abortion). I believe that it should be "a woman's right to choose", it's not that a woman would be forced to have an abortion, she doesn't even believe that women should have a choice. She's what I would call a "throwback".
 
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  • #140
I like this. Unfortunately, these are very significant factors. Regardless of whether you're right about Obama & Biden together, it won't be an issue since they'll campaign separately. Biden will be a great VP on the campaign trail - and he does add something for those looking for some serious punch in terms of experience.

castlegates said:
I see this relationship going the way of the Kennedy Johnson relationship. The more they learn about each others personal lives, the more they turn to hate of each other. It will be fun to watch.

He who laughs at the misfortune of others understands the meaning of life?

Mmmm, I can relate to that. :rofl:
 
<h2>1. What is CNN?</h2><p>CNN (Cable News Network) is an American news-based cable television channel that was launched in 1980. It is known for its 24-hour news coverage and is one of the most widely viewed news networks in the world.</p><h2>2. Who are McCain and Palin?</h2><p>John McCain and Sarah Palin were the Republican candidates for the 2008 United States presidential election. McCain was a senator from Arizona and Palin was the governor of Alaska. They ran against Barack Obama and Joe Biden, ultimately losing the election.</p><h2>3. Why is CNN reporting on McCain and Palin?</h2><p>CNN, as a news network, reports on current events and political news. The 2008 presidential election was a significant event in American politics, and McCain and Palin were the Republican candidates, making them newsworthy subjects for CNN's coverage.</p><h2>4. What is the significance of McCain and Palin's partnership?</h2><p>McCain and Palin's partnership was significant because it was the first time a woman was chosen as a vice-presidential candidate for the Republican party. It also brought attention to Palin's political views and experience as governor of Alaska.</p><h2>5. How does CNN's coverage of McCain and Palin impact the 2008 election?</h2><p>CNN's coverage of McCain and Palin, along with other news networks, played a role in shaping public opinion and influencing the outcome of the 2008 election. Their coverage provided information and analysis of the candidates' policies, speeches, and debates, which helped voters make informed decisions at the polls.</p>

1. What is CNN?

CNN (Cable News Network) is an American news-based cable television channel that was launched in 1980. It is known for its 24-hour news coverage and is one of the most widely viewed news networks in the world.

2. Who are McCain and Palin?

John McCain and Sarah Palin were the Republican candidates for the 2008 United States presidential election. McCain was a senator from Arizona and Palin was the governor of Alaska. They ran against Barack Obama and Joe Biden, ultimately losing the election.

3. Why is CNN reporting on McCain and Palin?

CNN, as a news network, reports on current events and political news. The 2008 presidential election was a significant event in American politics, and McCain and Palin were the Republican candidates, making them newsworthy subjects for CNN's coverage.

4. What is the significance of McCain and Palin's partnership?

McCain and Palin's partnership was significant because it was the first time a woman was chosen as a vice-presidential candidate for the Republican party. It also brought attention to Palin's political views and experience as governor of Alaska.

5. How does CNN's coverage of McCain and Palin impact the 2008 election?

CNN's coverage of McCain and Palin, along with other news networks, played a role in shaping public opinion and influencing the outcome of the 2008 election. Their coverage provided information and analysis of the candidates' policies, speeches, and debates, which helped voters make informed decisions at the polls.

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