Is Momentum the Key Factor in Impact for Elastic Collisions?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of impact and how it relates to impulse, momentum, and acceleration. The participants use examples to understand the calculations involved in determining impact and also mention the conservation of momentum and kinetic energy in elastic collisions. One participant initially makes a mistake in their formula but eventually comes to the correct understanding.
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Hey guys, I am a new member here and i don't know that much about physics so if this seems really obvious to you sorry, I am only 15!

Ohk here's my problem.
I was looking at some stuff on impact
Now impact is reliant on impulse yes?
Now if I(impluse) = F average * change in time
And impulse is = momentum
momentum is Mass * Acceleration, or delta v / delta t
So if a bird is traveling at a velocity of 10m/s with a mass of 10kg but has no acceleration and it collides with an aeroplane which is traveling at 80m/s with a mass of 12 tons with no acceleration does that mean there is no impact as there is no acceleration?
 
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When they collide each object undergoes acceleration - the bird more so than the airplane! :-)
 
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Oh i see, it all makes sense now thnx
 
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oh I am an idiot i see now, p = mv, not ma, ma is f... oh well i feel dumb now, should probably get my formulae right first
 
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incorrect signs

Archimedes said:
from conservation of momentum and kinetic energy for elastic impacts we have:
[tex]m_1(V'_1-V_1)=m_2(V'_2-V_2)[/tex]
Not exactly. The net change in momentum is zero, so:
[tex]m_1(V'_1-V_1)= -m_2(V'_2-V_2)[/tex]
[tex]m_1(V'_1+V_1)(V'_1-V_1)=m_2(V'_2+V_2)(V'_2-V_2)[/tex]
Again, your signs are incorrect. If the collision is elastic (certainly not the case for the bird hitting the plane!) then KE is conserved, so:
[tex]m_1V'_1^2 + m_2V'_2^2 = m_1V_1^2 + m_2V_2^2[/tex]
 

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