The Thread About Psychics: Skepticism, Proof, and Double-Talk

In summary, the conversation revolved around the closure of a thread about psychics and the accusation that the person closing the thread, Ivan, was doing so to have the last word. The conversation then shifted to the demand for proof of the million dollar prize offered by James Randi for proof of paranormal abilities. The person defending Randi stated that the burden of proof should be on the accuser and not on Randi. The conversation ended with the statement that any further threads about this topic will be closed until undeniable proof of the million dollar prize is provided.
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Why was the thread about psychics closed? Ivan, are you an administrator here who closes threads to make sure you get the last word?

I have a few comments about the things you said, but I would have preferred to post them in the thread where the discussion started.

Ivan Seeking said:
I ask for proof so I get double-talk. I think this makes things pretty clear. When someone claims evidence for ghosts or ESP, do the skeptics go out and get proof to support the claim. No, they demand proof from those who also argue for the claim.
We're not going to do experiments that we believe have absolutely no chance of success, that's true. But we do at least examine the evidence that the believers are offering us. You on the other hand, are refusing to do just that.

You didn't get double-talk. You asked for proof, and I told you where you can get it. What more do you need?

Ivan Seeking said:
If you are defending Randi then you get the proof. Otherwise, consider yourself a hypocrite.
That's just ridicilous. You're making public accusations of fraud, against a man who is already providing evidence of his innocence to anyone who asks! That's more than enough to put the burden of proof on you.
 
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I made no direct accusation of fraud; I am simply being a skeptic.

I asked for proof of Randi's million dollars and this creates a controversy? Very telling. I have looked for the proof and didn't find any. If and when you have a link that shows undeniable proof of the money then please post it. Until then, I am treating this as any other crackpot claim made without proof.

The only threads I have ever closed were of exactly the opposite nature. This is a first but I feel it is completely justified. [Edit] I can't think of anything that would be easier to prove; especially in this forum.

I will close any other threads about this until the undeniable proof of Randi's million dollars is posted. I think our James Randi fans should be held to the same standards as they hold everyone else. Double standards for crackpot claims are not allowed.
 
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The thread about psychics was most likely closed because it violated the forum rules and guidelines. It is common for threads to be closed if they become too heated or if they are no longer productive in facilitating respectful and meaningful discussions. As for your question about me being an administrator, I am not. I am simply a member of this community who is voicing my thoughts on the matter.

As for the content of the thread, I can understand the frustration of wanting proof and feeling like it is not being provided. However, it is important to remember that everyone has their own beliefs and perspectives, and it is not productive to attack or accuse others of being hypocrites. Instead, we should strive to have open and respectful discussions, even if we may not agree with each other.

In regards to demanding proof from believers, it is important to approach the topic with an open mind and examine the evidence that is presented. It is not fair to dismiss something without even considering the evidence. At the same time, it is also understandable that skeptics may not want to waste their time on experiments that they believe have no chance of success. It is a delicate balance, but one that can be achieved through respectful and open communication.

In conclusion, the thread was most likely closed to prevent further escalation and to maintain a positive and respectful atmosphere in the forum. It is important to remember to approach discussions with an open mind and to refrain from personal attacks and accusations. Let's strive to have productive and respectful discussions in the future.
 

1. What is the main argument in the thread about psychics?

The main argument in the thread is whether or not psychics are legitimate and if there is enough evidence to support their abilities.

2. What is the general consensus among the commenters?

The general consensus is that there is no concrete proof of psychic abilities and many believe it to be a scam or a result of psychological tricks.

3. Are there any opposing viewpoints presented in the thread?

Yes, there are some commenters who believe in the existence of psychic abilities and argue that personal experiences and anecdotes are enough to prove their existence.

4. Has anyone provided scientific evidence to support their claims?

Some commenters have shared scientific studies and experiments that have been conducted on psychics, but there is still a lack of solid evidence to prove their abilities.

5. How does skepticism play a role in the discussion?

Skepticism is a major factor in the discussion as many commenters are questioning the validity of psychic abilities and pushing for more evidence and critical thinking rather than blind belief.

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