Sturm-Liouville Like Equation with Boundary Conditions on Second Derivative

In summary, the user is trying to solve a diffusion equation with a slightly exotic boundary condition, but has not been successful so far. They recommend using separation of variables to solve the equation.
  • #1
Nikratio
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Hello,

I am facing a diffusion equation..
[tex]\frac{du(x,t)}{dt} = D \frac{d^2u}{dx^2}[/tex]
.. with slightly exotic boundary conditions:
[tex]u(0,t) = 0[/tex]
[tex]\frac{d^2u(a,t)}{dx^2}+ \alpha \frac{du(a,t)}{dx} = 0[/tex]

I expected the solution to be relatively easy to find, since separation of variables quickly gives a Storm-Liouville equation. However, the different second boundary condition has so far trashed all of my efforts to find a solution.

Is someone able to give some advice on this? Can I rely on the existence of eigenfunctions at all or do I need to get at this from an entirely different direction?
 
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  • #2
What I would do is write that second boundary condition in a slightly different form.
We see that the u(x,t) satisfies the diffusion equation for all x (in its domain of course). Hence for x=a too. With this it seems to be fruitful if we write the boundary condition as:

[tex]
\left(\frac{d^2u(x,t)}{dx^2}+ \alpha \frac{du(x,t)}{dx}\right) \bigg |_{x=a} =
\left(\frac{1}{D}\frac{du(x,t)}{dt}+\alpha \frac{du(x,t)}{dx}\right) \bigg |_{x=a}=0
[/tex]

And so the boundary condition is only with first derivatives.
 
  • #3
Thaakisfox said:
What I would do is write that second boundary condition in a slightly different form.
We see that the u(x,t) satisfies the diffusion equation for all x (in its domain of course). Hence for x=a too. With this it seems to be fruitful if we write the boundary condition as:

[tex]
\left(\frac{d^2u(x,t)}{dx^2}+ \alpha \frac{du(x,t)}{dx}\right) \bigg |_{x=a} =
\left(\frac{1}{D}\frac{du(x,t)}{dt}+\alpha \frac{du(x,t)}{dx}\right) \bigg |_{x=a}=0
[/tex]

And so the boundary condition is only with first derivatives.

Actually that is the original form of the boundary condition. I rewrote it in terms of the spatial derivative so that I could use separation of variables. Did I miss something obvious? To me this form seems even less tractable...
 
  • #4
You can use separation of variables anyway.
Solve the diffusion equation in the usual manner with separation of variables, the time part as usual will have an exponential dependence then using the first boundary condition you can rule out one of the solutions to the spatial equation (the sine stays or the sinh), then apply the second boundary condition, and you shall get a transcendental equation something like k*tan(k) = ... this quantizes the constant you got when using the separation of variables, but you cannot solve this equation. From here you can superimpose the solution with the different quantas and you are done.
 
  • #5


Hello,

Thank you for sharing your problem. The Sturm-Liouville equation is a well-known partial differential equation that arises in many physical and mathematical applications. It is a second-order, linear, homogeneous equation with variable coefficients and can be solved using separation of variables, as you have mentioned.

In your case, the boundary conditions on the second derivative are indeed non-standard and may require a different approach to finding a solution. One possibility is to use a transformation to convert the equation into a standard Sturm-Liouville equation, which may make it easier to solve. Another approach is to use numerical methods to approximate the solution.

In terms of the existence of eigenfunctions, it ultimately depends on the specific form of your equation and boundary conditions. It may be helpful to consult with a colleague or a specialist in Sturm-Liouville equations to get some insight on how to approach this problem. Good luck with finding a solution!
 

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