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| Jan26-13, 12:22 PM | #35 |
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Where does the energy vanish to when light is red shifted
Drakkith, thanks I was getting my frames of reference mixed up. That light today is in our own frame.
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| Jan26-13, 12:25 PM | #36 |
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Can't we state that at any local point of observation where the observer's inertial frame is that of the source, the observed wavelength at any such local point of observation anywhere in the universe would be that of the source of propagation? Isnt it the case that the red shift is "observed" because the observer's inertial frame is moving in a direction away from the source, and that the observation of a red shift can always be overcome anywhere in the universe if the observer began moving in an inertial frame that was at rest with that of the source? If the expanding space effected a dilatation of the light wave as it propagated, wouldnt a distant observer in an inertial frame at rest with respect to the source always see a red shift? In that case, wouldnt such an observer applying Hubble's relation, end up over estimating the distance of the source to the observer's location at the time the light was propagated? |
| Jan26-13, 01:26 PM | #37 |
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The exact same issues and 'answers' to your questions are currently being discussed
here: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthr...=659192&page=2 How to prove the stretching of space But there is no 'final resolution' : [from my prior post here]: |
| Jan26-13, 01:27 PM | #38 |
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| Jan26-13, 01:31 PM | #39 |
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timmdeeg, so it is not possible to say that we are in the same inertial frame if we use a space ship to reach the velocity where the CMBR frequency is the same frequency it was when first emitted?
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| Jan26-13, 01:37 PM | #40 |
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The CMBR was created by inflationary expansion and was not emitted by atoms; atoms had not formed at 380,000 years after the big bang when the CMBR appeared. |
| Jan26-13, 01:44 PM | #41 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombi...28cosmology%29 |
| Jan26-13, 01:58 PM | #42 |
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| Jan26-13, 02:10 PM | #43 |
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By sheer luck: Ned Wright's Cosmology
http://www.astro.ubc.ca/people/scott/faq_basic.html |
| Jan26-13, 02:35 PM | #44 |
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Perhaps both descriptions are correct in that the original heat and light energy was already present from the BB, but the actual "last scattering" photons that we see now were emitted when the ions and electrons were able to combine, thus becoming transparent. Before this earlier photons were absorbed.
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| Jan26-13, 03:25 PM | #45 |
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Perhaps it's more accurate to say that when recombination happened, the hot gas emitted radiation just like any other hot object does. At the moment of recombination the thermal radiation could suddenly travel freely throughout the universe. I'd assume that in addition to this thermal radiation, the recombination of electrons with protons emitted radiation as well that followed the pattern of spectral lines of hydrogen and added to the thermal radiation. Either way, there were definitely atoms around when recombination happened and the CMB was emitted.
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