Commutation of 2 operators using braket notation?

In summary, the commutator of operators A and B written in bra-ket notation results in a 4x4 matrix. If the vectors |a> and |b> are orthonormal, the commutator can be simplified using the standard rules of algebra. If they are not orthonormal, the commutator will result in a 2x2 matrix. The kets and bras can also be represented as column and row vectors, respectively.
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How do you work out the commutator of two operators, A and B, which have been written in bra - ket notation?

alpha = a beta = b

A = 2|a><a| + |a><b| + 3|b><a|

B = |a><a| + 3|a><b| + 5|b><a| - 2|b><b|

The answer is a 4x4 matrix according to my lecturer...

Any help much appreciated!

I know the commutator is AB - BA but how do you do it for these big bra - ket eqns?
 
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Just write out AB - BA and apply the standard rules of algebra - expand and distribute. Just don't rearrange the order of terms that don't commute.

Are the two vectors |a> and |b> orthonormal? If so, then you can also use

<a|a> = <b|b> = 1

<a|b> = <b|a> = 0

If they are not orthonormal, then you cannot use the above reductions.
 
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but how do you get a 4 x 4 matrix?
 
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philip041 said:
B = |a><a| + 3|a><b| + 5|b><a| - 2|b><b|

This IS a matrix. Kets are column vectors and bras are row vectors.

But it looks like you should get a 2x2 matrix. Perhaps your professor misspoke?

Unless of course the kets |a> and |b> have additional internal structure that you haven't shown us.
 
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ohh cheers
 
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If you have an n-state system, you could create a vector in [tex]R^n[/tex] that corresponds to each (orthogonal) state. So for example, in this case, you could have that

<a| = (1 0)
<b| = (0 1)

And of course, the kets for each of the corresponding bras would just be column vectors which are transposes for each. You can just multiply everything out and it will work. I think this must be it =]
 

1. What is commutation in quantum mechanics?

Commutation, also known as commutativity, refers to the order in which two operators act on a quantum state. In quantum mechanics, the order in which operators are applied can affect the outcome of a measurement. Commutation is an important concept in understanding the behavior of quantum systems.

2. What is the commutation relation between two operators?

The commutation relation between two operators is given by their commutator, which is defined as [A, B] = AB - BA. This measures the extent to which two operators do not commute, and is a fundamental property of quantum mechanics.

3. How is commutation of operators represented using bra-ket notation?

In bra-ket notation, the commutation of two operators A and B is represented as [A, B] = AB - BA. This notation is commonly used in quantum mechanics to represent mathematical operations on quantum states.

4. What is the significance of commutation in quantum mechanics?

The commutation of operators is significant in quantum mechanics because it affects the measurement outcomes of quantum systems. Operators that commute with each other have well-defined simultaneous measurements, while operators that do not commute have uncertain simultaneous measurements.

5. Can operators with non-zero commutation relation have simultaneous eigenstates?

Yes, operators with non-zero commutation relations can have simultaneous eigenstates. This means that there exist states which are eigenstates of both operators, even though the operators do not commute. However, the measurement outcomes for these states may still be uncertain due to the non-commutativity of the operators.

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