Transfer function from Gain Margin and Phase Margin

In summary, the discussion is about whether it is possible to determine the Transfer Function of a System based on the known Open Loop Gain Margin and Phase Margin. The conversation also touches on the definitions of open loop gain margin and phase margin, as well as the limitations of using these values to calculate the transfer function. Ultimately, it is determined that the transfer function cannot be accurately determined unless more information about the system is known."
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Would it be possible to get the Transfer Function of a System if Open Loop Gain Margin and Phase Margin are known.
 
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What do you mean by open loop gain margin? I only know about loop gain margin at certain frequency with given the closed loop gain and open loop gain plot. Loop gain is the log subtraction of the open loop gain minus close loop gain at a given frequency. People use that to calculate the error of the closed loop feedback.

Phase margin usually refer the the phase from 180 at the open loop gain line crossing the close loop gain line OR at the point loop gain equal to 0dB.
 
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Yungman is right. I would add that the answer is "no". The gain and phase margins are two numbers specified or measured where the closed-loop gain is 1. You cannot deduce or infer the transfer function unless much more is known about the system.
 

What is a transfer function?

A transfer function is a mathematical representation of the relationship between the input and output of a system. It describes how the input signal is transformed into the output signal, and can be used to analyze the behavior of the system.

How is the transfer function related to gain margin and phase margin?

Gain margin and phase margin are parameters used to evaluate the stability of a system. The transfer function can be used to calculate these parameters, and they can then be used to determine the stability of the system.

What is gain margin?

Gain margin is a measure of how much the gain of a system can be increased before the system becomes unstable. It is typically expressed in decibels (dB) and can be calculated from the transfer function by finding the gain at the frequency where the phase shift is -180 degrees.

What is phase margin?

Phase margin is a measure of how much the phase shift of a system can be increased before the system becomes unstable. It is typically expressed in degrees and can be calculated from the transfer function by finding the frequency where the gain is 0 dB.

How do gain margin and phase margin affect system stability?

A system with a low gain margin or phase margin is more likely to become unstable. Therefore, it is important to design systems with sufficient gain margin and phase margin to ensure stability and prevent issues such as oscillations or system failure.

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