Can someone double check this, or tell me happened?

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In summary, the negative sign in the absolute value is irrelevant and can be dropped because |-a| is equivalent to |a|. It may still be present in the answer if a can take both positive and negative values, but it can also be distributed or dropped for convenience. The absolute value sign is only necessary if it is explicitly used in the problem.
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I don't understand how they got rid of the negative.
l = absolute, but they aren't used anyways.

[tex]\mid \S_n - frac{a}{1 - R} \mid = \mid a( \frac{1 - r^n}{1-r} ) - \frac{a}{1-r}\mid[/tex]

[tex]= \mid \frac{a r^n}{1-r} \mid[/tex]

I'm getting...

[tex]= \mid \frac{-a r^n}{1-r} \mid[/tex]

I always miss negatives, but I don't think I did this time.
 
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The absolute value's going to kill the negative either way.

cookiemonster
 
  • #3
Did you know that [itex]|ab|=|a||b|[/itex]? Therefore [itex]|-b|=|-1||b|=|b|[/itex].
 
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The negative is gone after we use the absolutes.

We haven't used them, so where did it go?
 
  • #5
I see what you did wrong. When you factor out the _a_ at the beginning, you get Sn -1, which is r^n -1, and that should solve your problem.
 
  • #6
Sn isn't even involved.
 
  • #7
I'll break it down even more, and I hope I find my mistake.

[tex]\mid S_n - \frac{a}{1 - R} \mid = \mid a( \frac{1 - r^n}{1-r} ) - \frac{a}{1-r}\mid[/tex]

[tex]= \mid \frac{a - ar^n}{1 - r} - \frac{a}{1 - r} \mid [/tex]

...same denominator...

[tex]= \mid \frac{a - ar^n - a}{1 - r} \mid [/tex]

[tex]= \mid \frac{-ar^n}{1 - r} \mid [/tex]
 
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JasonRox said:
The negative is gone after we use the absolutes.

We haven't used them, so where did it go?

And you said before
JasonRox said:
l = absolute, but they aren't used anyways.

What do you mean "we haven't used them"? You certainly are using the absolute value. That's why it's there and that's why
[tex]= \mid \frac{-ar^n}{1 - r} \mid = \frac{ar^n}{1-r}[/tex]

If you mean that there is still an absolute value sign in the answer, that doesn't mean they haven't been used ||a||= |a| (absolute value of the absolute value of a is the same as the absolute value of a).
 
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Nevermind.

I shouldn't have put the absolutes into begin with. It changes nothing!

It's like we right the number 4 instead of 4^1, which is the way it should be done.

There is no reason for the negative to "disappear" on its own.

Yes, I understand absolutes, but they only work if you use them.
 
  • #10
I think the point is that |-a| is equivalent to |a|. If a can take both positive and negative values, then the absolute value sign is still present. But since the presence of the negative sign in the absolute value is useless (it's going to end up positive anyway), we drop it because it's less work to write it without.

On a similar note, you could have taken that negative sign and distributed it into the denominator if the r - 1 form was more convenient to work with. Or, if the negative weren't there, you could create it and then distribute it anyway because it's still equivalent.

All in all, the negative isn't a big deal.

cookiemonster
 

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