Impulsive Force: Tom's Homework Solution

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In summary: F_x=-.10839/.05 = -2.1678 NF_y=4.092996/.05 = 81.8591 NIn summary, the puck slides on ice and hits a barrier at an angle of 53 degrees. The barrier causes the puck to have a positive x-component of velocity before the bounce and a negative y-component of velocity after the bounce. The x- and y-components of the impulse are determined using the formulas I=M(v_i-V_f) and I_x=.2(15cos53-12cos45) and I_y=.2(15sin53-12sin45), respectively. The direction of
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Homework Statement


A 200g puck sliding on ice strikes a barrier at an angle of 53degree and bounces off at an angle of 45degree. The speed of the puck before the bounce was 15m/s and after the bounce it is 12m/s. The time of contact during the bounce is .05seconds

A) write these velocities in rectangular components relative to the barrier
B) Determine the x and y components of the impulsive force. Which one can be identified as a normal force and which one can be identified as frictional force

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We were just introduced to impulse last class so i really don't know if I'm doing this right, but i wiki'ed it and see
Impulse = Change in Momentum

The Attempt at a Solution



A) Pretty sure i did this part right
Before:
V_x=15cos53 = 9.02723
V_y=15sin53 = 11.9795

After:
V_x=12cos45 = 8.48528
V_y=12sin45 = 8.48528B)This is were I'm kinda lost
Formula i used: I=M(v_i - V_f) (M=.2, v_i= velocity initial, v_f= velocity final)

I_x=.2(15cos53-12cos45)=.541944(.2) = .108389

I_y=.2(15sin53-12sin45)=3.49425(.2) = .69885

Guessing the I_y is caused from the normal force of the wall and the I_x is caused from friction.

Any help would be appreciated
-Thanks Tom
 
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tomrule007 said:
We were just introduced to impulse last class so i really don't know if I'm doing this right, but i wiki'ed it and see
Impulse = Change in Momentum
You'll need to know how impulse is defined in terms of force and time. Read this: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/impulse.html" [Broken]

The Attempt at a Solution



A) Pretty sure i did this part right
Before:
V_x=15cos53 = 9.02723
V_y=15sin53 = 11.9795

After:
V_x=12cos45 = 8.48528
V_y=12sin45 = 8.48528
Careful. Signs matter! If the puck has a positive y-component of velocity when it approaches the barrier, what sign must it have after it bounces off?


B)This is were I'm kinda lost
Formula i used: I=M(v_i - V_f) (M=.2, v_i= velocity initial, v_f= velocity final)

I_x=.2(15cos53-12cos45)=.541944(.2) = .108389

I_y=.2(15sin53-12sin45)=3.49425(.2) = .69885
Two problems: (1) You need to fix your signs, as already mentioned; (2) You've calculated the components of the impulse, but not the force. (Check out the link I gave you.)

Guessing the I_y is caused from the normal force of the wall and the I_x is caused from friction.
You're on the right track here.
 
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Ok now let's see if i get it

A)Before:
V_x=15cos53 = 9.02723 (going to the right)
V_y=15sin53 = -11.9795 (going down)

After:
V_x=12cos45 = 8.48528 (going to the right)
V_y=12sin45 = 8.48528 (going up)

For part B I'm still a little confused because if F_average = M(change in v/change in t)
Then Impulse = F_average*Change in t then doesn't that cancel out the t completely? (I'm still working on trying to understand the whole concept, sorry its a little confusing)
 
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tomrule007 said:
Ok now let's see if i get it

A)Before:
V_x=15cos53 = 9.02723 (going to the right)
V_y=15sin53 = -11.9795 (going down)

After:
V_x=12cos45 = 8.48528 (going to the right)
V_y=12sin45 = 8.48528 (going up)
That looks good.

For part B I'm still a little confused because if F_average = M(change in v/change in t)
Then Impulse = F_average*Change in t then doesn't that cancel out the t completely?
Realize that you're just writing the same equation twice, since Impulse = F_average*Change in t (by definition) and also Impulse = M * change in v (this can be derived from Newton's laws). Pick one version and solve for F!
 
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So this is the same thing i did before but updated with the new signs
B)
I_x=.2(8.48528-9.02723)= -.10839

I_y=.2(8.48528-(-11.9795))= 4.092996and to solve for the F_average i just do divide by .05
so
F_x=-.10839/.05 = -2.1678 N

F_y=4.092996/.05 = 81.8591 N
 
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Good. I didn't check your arithmetic, but it looks reasonable. Now find the force components. Hint: Use the time that was given.
 
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just updated it with the time

now i got to work on

C)what is the direction of the impulsive force with respect to the barrier?

I can solve for this by taking the arctan of the two impulse components ?

Tan x = opposite / adjacent = 81.8591/ -2.1678
x=-88.483
so this means almost all the force is bouncing straight up and a little bit of friction is pushing it back, which seems right to me

D) how much energy was lost to heat in the bounce

would this be equal to the total impulse ?

square root ( -.10839^2 + 4.092996^2) = 4.09443
 
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tomrule007 said:
and to solve for the F_average i just do divide by .05
so
F_x=-.10839/.05 = -2.1678 N

F_y=4.092996/.05 = 81.8591 N
Looks good.

tomrule007 said:
C)what is the direction of the impulsive force with respect to the barrier?

I can solve for this by taking the arctan of the two impulse components ?

Tan x = opposite / adjacent = 81.8591/ -2.1678
x=-88.483
so this means almost all the force is bouncing straight up and a little bit of friction is pushing it back, which seems right to me
Sounds good.

D) how much energy was lost to heat in the bounce

would this be equal to the total impulse ?

square root ( -.10839^2 + 4.092996^2) = 4.09443
No. Compare the puck's energy before and after the collision.
 
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so for part D i can just use the difference in Kinetic energy?

(1/2)(.2)(15)^2 - (1/2)(.2)(12)^2 = Energy lost due to heat
(.1)(225) - (.1)(144)= 8.1 N

Well that seems simple if i did it right.

And i just want to make sure that on part B when it says "find the components of the impulsive force"
Impulsive force is the same thing as F_average?
 
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tomrule007 said:
so for part D i can just use the difference in Kinetic energy?
Yes.

(1/2)(.2)(15)^2 - (1/2)(.2)(12)^2 = Energy lost due to heat
(.1)(225) - (.1)(144)= 8.1 N
Careful with units. Newton's (N) are a measure of force, not energy. (Otherwise: Good!)

And i just want to make sure that on part B when it says "find the components of the impulsive force"
Impulsive force is the same thing as F_average?
Absolutely.
 
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Thanks for all your help
 

What is impulsive force?

Impulsive force, also known as impact force, is a force that acts on an object for a short period of time in order to change its momentum. It is typically described as a sudden and strong force that causes an object to accelerate or change direction.

How is impulsive force calculated?

Impulsive force is calculated by multiplying an object's mass by its change in velocity over a given time interval. It can also be calculated by dividing the change in momentum by the change in time.

What is the difference between impulsive force and constant force?

Impulsive force is a short and sudden force that acts on an object for a brief period of time, while constant force is a steady force that acts on an object continuously. Impulsive forces are typically much stronger than constant forces, but they act for a shorter period of time.

How does impulsive force affect an object's motion?

Impulsive force can cause an object to accelerate, decelerate, change direction, or even break apart. The effect on an object's motion depends on the magnitude and direction of the impulsive force, as well as the object's mass and initial velocity.

How can impulsive force be applied in real life?

Impulsive force is commonly seen in sports, such as when a baseball is hit by a bat or when a soccer player kicks a ball. It is also important in car accidents, where the impact of two vehicles colliding is an example of impulsive force. Engineers also use impulsive force in designing safety features for buildings and bridges to withstand earthquakes and other sudden impacts.

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