Proving the Limit of e^x as x --> 1 using Epsilon-Delta Method

In summary, the conversation discusses the use of the epsilon-delta method to prove that the limit of e^x as x approaches 1 is equal to e. One method involves defining e as the unique number such that ln(e) = 1 and using the continuity of ln(x) to show that e^x is continuous. The other method involves defining e as the base of the natural log and using a specific value for delta to prove the limit. The conversation also highlights the importance of understanding definitions in mathematical thinking and proof.
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mannyfold
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Can anyone prove that the limit of e^x as x --> 1 is e using the epsilon-delta method?

This is not a homework problem, but I am trying to review my course in analysis from a few years back, and this one has me stumped.
 
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Exactly how are you defining ex? One standard way is to define an, for n a positive integer, as [itex]a\ddot a\cdot\cdot\cdot a[/itex] n times. Then a0= 1 follows from an+ m= anam, a-n= 1/an follows from the same, [itex]a^{\frac{1}{n}}= ^n/sqrt{a}[/itex], [itex]a^{\frac{m}{n}}= ^n\sqrt{a^m}[/itex] which give ar for r any rational number. To define ax for x an arbitrary real number, we take a sequence of rational numbers {rn} that converges to x and define [itex]a^x= \lim_{n\leftarrow \infty}a^{r_n}[/itex]. Of course, that defines ax to be continuous for all x so ex goes to e as x goes to 1 by continuity.

Another method is to define [itex]ln(x)= \int_0^x \frac{1}{x}dx[/itex] and then define ex to be the inverse function to ln(x). Of course, since ln(x) is defined as an integral, it is continuous and so is its inverse. That is, ex is continuous by definition and again ex goes to e as x goes to 1 by continuity.
 
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I'm simply using e = 2.718... and raising it to x, nothing fancy about it. I'm looking for the trick that will give me delta in terms of epsilon (the epsilon-delta proof) or somehow to put a bound on delta.

Unfortunately, for this, I'm not at liberty to make definitions. It's not merely proving the limit, but utilizing the epsilon-delta approach. Thanks, though.

(I'm preparing for an entrance exam.)
 
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what are the rest of your decimals? unlkess you tell us exactly what number e is, you cannot prove that e^x really approaches e as x goes to 1 by your method. and unless you define precisely what e^x means you also cannot do it.

the easiest way is halls second method that e^x is continuous, since it is the inverse of the continuous function ln(x), hence it suffices to show e^1 = e, but that follows from the fact that e is defined as the unique number such that ln(e) = 1.
 
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mannyfold said:
I'm simply using e = 2.718... and raising it to x, nothing fancy about it. I'm looking for the trick that will give me delta in terms of epsilon (the epsilon-delta proof) or somehow to put a bound on delta.

Unfortunately, for this, I'm not at liberty to make definitions. It's not merely proving the limit, but utilizing the epsilon-delta approach. Thanks, though.

(I'm preparing for an entrance exam.)
I didn't say you should "make" definitions but you certainly have to use definitions in order to prove anything. Saying "I'm simply using e = 2.718... and raising it to x, nothing fancy about it." makes no sense. That's extremely "fancy"! Raising an irrational number to an irrational power requires using limits itself. You will have to at least state a precise definition for "using e = 2.718... and raising it to x".

If this is a specific question on a practice exam, please state the complete problem itself.
 
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mannyfold said:
Can anyone prove that the limit of e^x as x --> 1 is e using the epsilon-delta method?

This is not a homework problem, but I am trying to review my course in analysis from a few years back, and this one has me stumped.

Let [tex]\epsilon[/tex] be a small positive real number. We have to prove that there exists a correspondent [tex]\delta[/tex] such as

[itex]| e^x - e | < \epsilon [/itex] for all [itex]1-\delta < x < 1+\delta [/itex] and [itex] x \neq 1[/itex].

We have

[tex]| e^x - e | < \epsilon \Rightarrow -\epsilon < e^x - e < \epsilon \Rightarrow e - \epsilon < e^x < e + \epsilon \Rightarrow \ln (e-\epsilon) < x < \ln(e + \epsilon) \Rightarrow 1- \ln \frac{1}{1-\epsilon / e} < x < 1 + \ln (1+\epsilon/ e) [/tex]

(we have used the fact that exponential an logarithmic functions are increasing in their domain).

Now, by noting that

[tex]\ln(1 + \epsilon/ e) < \ln \frac{1}{1-\epsilon /e}[/tex]

we can choose [itex]\delta = \ln (1 + \epsilon / e) [/itex] which satisfies our initial request.
 
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Gee, I didn't think that defining e was such a priority. I simply meant that e is the irrational number that serves as the base of the natural log, and as such, it can't be stated as a number with a definite number of decimal places (it is like PI in this regard).

Thanks, WigneRacah, you hit the nail right on the head!
 
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i agree the argument just given is nice and simple, but it proceeds bya ssuming all the thigns that have been pointed out as necessary. the hard part is to prove that log and exp do have the properties that were just assumed, using suitable definitions.

the argument just given is the trivial observation that if f and g are mutually inverse continuous, hence monotone (e.g. increasing) functions, then f maps the interval (a-e,a+e) to the interval (f(a)-d1,f(a)+d2) if and only if d1 = f(a) - f(a-e), and d2 = f(a+e) - f(a).
 
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for instance, without a definition of log or of e, yopu have no idea what the number delta is that you have been given here, i.e. how can you say that delta must be ln(1 + epsilon/e) when you say you don't need a definition of e? if you don't know what e is then you don't know what ln(1 + epsilon/e) is either.

do you see? you are sort of asking for an answer that will look ok, on a test but without understanding what any of the letters mean in your answer. this is not your fault, as you seem not to have had any instruction in mathematical thinking or proof. the idea is to ask yourself what the symbols mean in your statements.
 
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mannyfold said:
Gee, I didn't think that defining e was such a priority.

It's not in this case, since [itex]\lim_{x \rightarrow 1}a^x = a[/itex] [itex]\forall a \in \mathbb{C}[/itex] (using usual definitions). As Halls pointed out, you do need a rigorous definition for exponentiation of a real number by a real exponent, and of what a logarithm is, in order to do your problem.

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I simply meant that e is the irrational number that serves as the base of the natural log, and as such, it can't be stated as a number with a definite number of decimal places (it is like PI in this regard).

Yes, but you have to understand that that's not a definition. Neither is "e = 2.712818..." because there are infinitely many numbers I can write that way. A common definition for [itex]e[/itex] is

[tex]e = \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\left(1+\frac{1}{n}\right)^n,[/tex]

for example (you have to prove that the limit exists in order for this to make sense, of course). There are many other possibilities.
 
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1. What is an epsilon-delta limit proof?

An epsilon-delta limit proof is a mathematical technique used to formally prove the limit of a function. It involves using two variables, epsilon (ε) and delta (δ), to show that for any small value of epsilon, there exists a corresponding value of delta such that the distance between the limit of the function and the value of the function at a given point is less than epsilon.

2. Why is an epsilon-delta limit proof important?

An epsilon-delta limit proof is important because it provides a rigorous and logical way to prove the limit of a function. It is used in advanced mathematics, particularly in calculus, to prove the fundamental concepts of limits, continuity, and differentiability.

3. What is the role of epsilon and delta in an epsilon-delta limit proof?

Epsilon (ε) and delta (δ) are two variables used in an epsilon-delta limit proof. Epsilon represents a small distance or error in the function, while delta represents a small distance or error in the input. The proof involves showing that for any given epsilon, there exists a corresponding delta such that the distance between the limit of the function and the value of the function at a given point is less than epsilon.

4. What are the steps involved in an epsilon-delta limit proof?

The steps involved in an epsilon-delta limit proof are as follows:

  1. Start with the definition of a limit and choose a small value for epsilon (ε).
  2. Use algebraic manipulation to find an expression for delta (δ) in terms of epsilon (ε) and the given function.
  3. Choose a value for delta (δ) that satisfies the expression found in the previous step.
  4. Prove that for any x-value within delta (δ) of the given point, the distance between the limit of the function and the value of the function at that point is less than epsilon (ε).
  5. Conclude that the limit of the function is equal to the given value, using the definition of a limit.

5. What are some common mistakes to avoid in an epsilon-delta limit proof?

Some common mistakes to avoid in an epsilon-delta limit proof include:

  • Choosing an incorrect value for delta (δ) that does not satisfy the expression found in step 2.
  • Not using the definition of a limit to conclude the proof.
  • Not considering all possible values of x within delta (δ) of the given point.
  • Using epsilon (ε) and delta (δ) interchangeably.

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