Can someone help me with this problem. Two stones being thrown straight up

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In summary: You are correct. The equations should be set equal to each other, since at the same height, the displacement and acceleration for both stones will be equal. So, the equation would look like this:Xi + Vi(T) + 1/2AT^2 = Xi + Vi(T+0.88) + 1/2AT^2Now, you can solve for T by isolating it on one side of the equation and simplifying. Once you have the value of T, you can plug it back into one of the original equations to find the displacement at that time, which will be the height at which the stones pass each other.
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A stone is thrown vertically upward at a speed of 18.00 m/s at time t=0. A second stone is thrown upward with the same speed 0.880 s later.
(a) At what time are the two stones at the same height?
(b) At what height do the two stones pass each other?
(c) What is the upward speed of the second stone as they pass each other?
(d) What is the downward speed of the first stone as they pass each other?

I'm at a complete loss for this. I know stone one will be traveling down and stone two will be traveling up when they are at the same height, but how do I find that exact height.

Here are the formulas I'm allowed to work with.
Xf = Xi + VT
Vf = Vi + AT
Xf = Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2
Vf^2 = Vi^2 + 2AXf

BTW I don't need the answer to this exact problem. I just need to know how to do it on my test. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
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Welcome to the Forums,

Start by listing the things you know;

(a) You know the initial velocity of both stones (18 m.s-1)
(b) You know the acceleration of both stones (-9.81 m.s-2)
(c) You know that when both stones are at the same height, they will have equal displacements.

You want to find out at what time t both stones are at the same height, so you need an equation with the initial velocity, the acceleration, the displacement and time only. Which equation from your list would that be?
 
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Would it be the 3rd equation? Even after I know the equation I'm still confused. This is my first attempt at any sort of physics and its really making me think.
 
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Hootenanny said:
Welcome to the Forums,

Start by listing the things you know;

(a) You know the initial velocity of both stones (18 m.s-1)
(b) You know the acceleration of both stones (-9.81 m.s-2)
(c) You know that when both stones are at the same height, they will have equal displacements.

How do I know they will have equal displacements at the same height?
 
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That's what it means to be at the same height. If one stone is 5 meters above the ground and the other stone is also 5 meters above the ground, they are both displaced from their point of origin (the ground) by 5 meters.

Do you know the formula for displacement?
 
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No, I don't. Our class doesn't have a book so I only have what my prof gave us. I get displacement now, I thought it was the total distance traveled before you just explained it.
 
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bpage08 said:
How do I know they will have equal displacements at the same height?
Ask yourself, what is height? What is displacement? How could the stones be at the same height and not have the same displacement?
bpage08 said:
Would it be the 3rd equation? Even after I know the equation I'm still confused.
Yes, it would be the third equation. Now, can you show two equations (one for each stone) and substitute in the values that you know?
 
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Do I make the two equations equal to each other?

IE:
Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 = Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 ?

16.53m + 0m/s(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2) = 0m + 18m(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2)
 
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bpage08 said:
Do I make the two equations equal to each other?

IE:
Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 = Xi + ViT + 1/2AT^2 ?

16.53m + 0m/s(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2) = 0m + 18m(T) + .5(-9.8m/s^2)(T^2)

Yes, you do make both equations 'equal', however I am not sure what you are doing here. Surely both stones have the same initial displacement (x1 = 0) and the same initial velocities (vi = 0). The only differences are that in the first case T = t and in the second case T = t + 0.88. Does that make sense?
 

What is the problem with throwing two stones straight up?

The problem is that we need to determine the height and time at which the stones will meet.

How do we solve this problem?

We can solve this problem by using the equations of motion and applying them to each stone separately.

What information do we need to solve this problem?

We need the initial velocity, height, and acceleration of each stone, as well as the distance between them.

Can we assume that the stones will meet at the same height and time?

No, we cannot assume that the stones will meet at the same height and time because they may have different initial velocities and accelerations.

What other factors may affect the outcome of this problem?

Other factors that may affect the outcome of this problem include air resistance and the shape and weight of the stones.

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