Why is it difficult to measure the perihelion advance of the planet Venus? Help

In summary, it is difficult to measure the perihelion advance of the planet Venus because of its circular orbit and the small rate of advance.
  • #1
kiwikiwi79
8
0
Why is it difficult to measure the perihelion advance of the planet Venus? Please help me answer this question in details...Thank you~ :rofl:
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
  • #2
kiwikiwi79 said:
Why is it difficult to measure the perihelion advance of the planet Venus? Please help me answer this question in details...Thank you~ :rofl:
Venus' orbit is practically circular so the perihelion location is less distinct. Venus' orbital plane in inclined more than 3 degress to the plane of the Earth's orbit. I don't know if that makes it more difficult to measure. The main reason is probably that the rate of advance is so small. Mercury's perihelion advance is about 10 minutes/century. Venus' is about 8 seconds of arc per century.

AM
 
  • #3
The curvature of space time closer to the sun is also a factor, right?
 
  • #4
pinkie said:
The curvature of space time closer to the sun is also a factor, right?

If you're talking only about GR corrections, then yes, but the dominant source of perihelion advance in planetary orbits is perturbations from other planets.
 
  • #5
Andrew Mason said:
Venus' orbit is practically circular so the perihelion location is less distinct. Venus' is about 8 seconds of arc per century. AM
So, it would appear to be a matter of precision of either measurement or calculation, and a matter of the geometry of the orbit (almost circular). I imagine the perturbations in the orbit due to other planets are on the order of a few seconds of arc.
 
  • #6
KiwiKiwi,
The best way to measure the perhelion advance of any of the solar system planets is to first eliminate the peturbations of the other planets, then calculate the length of advance as opposed to the angular advance.
For Mercury the angular advance is about 43 seconds of arc, less for Venus and even more so for the earth; if we work with the length of advance instead (the length of the arc subtended by the angle of advance) it is the same for all planets and is approximately 27833.859 metres.
This length is determined only by the mass of the sun, G, and the velocity of light. Since this length is the same for all the planets in their orbits after the corrections for orbital ellipticity are removed we really ought to say that the perhelion advance is the same for all planets regardless of their distance from the sun.
 
  • #7
i don't know weather this helps but maybe it could have some thing to do with the fact Venus is in retrograde?
 
  • #8
i don't know weather this helps but maybe it could have some thing to do with the fact Venus is retrograde?
 

Question 1: What is perihelion advance?

Perihelion advance is the phenomenon where the point of closest approach of a planet to the Sun, called the perihelion, shifts slightly with each orbit. This shift is caused by the gravitational effects of other planets and is measured in seconds of arc per century.

Question 2: Why is it important to measure the perihelion advance of Venus?

Measuring the perihelion advance of Venus is important because it provides evidence for the theory of general relativity. According to this theory, the gravitational pull of massive objects, such as the Sun, can cause the fabric of spacetime to bend, resulting in a shift in the perihelion of Venus.

Question 3: Why is it difficult to measure the perihelion advance of Venus?

There are several factors that make it difficult to measure the perihelion advance of Venus. One is the small magnitude of the shift, which is only about 8 arc seconds per century. This requires precise and accurate measurements. Another factor is the presence of other planets, particularly Jupiter, which can also cause a shift in the perihelion of Venus. Additionally, the highly elliptical orbit of Venus can also affect the measurements.

Question 4: How do scientists measure the perihelion advance of Venus?

Scientists use a technique called astrometry to measure the perihelion advance of Venus. This involves tracking the position of Venus in the sky over a period of time and comparing it to its predicted position based on its orbit. The difference between the two positions can then be used to calculate the perihelion advance.

Question 5: Has the perihelion advance of Venus been accurately measured?

Yes, the perihelion advance of Venus has been accurately measured and has been found to be in agreement with the predictions of general relativity. However, due to the difficulty of the measurements, it has taken several decades and multiple experiments to achieve this level of accuracy. Scientists continue to refine their techniques and measurements in order to further confirm the theory of general relativity.

Similar threads

  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
Replies
14
Views
1K
  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
3
Replies
71
Views
10K
  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • Astronomy and Astrophysics
Replies
10
Views
3K
Back
Top