The ultimate bubble: Treasuries (T) bubble coming?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the potential for a treasury bubble and the impact of decreased foreign purchase of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac securities. The possibility of dual currencies and borrowing in different denominations is also brought up. The conversation also considers the role of U.S. budget deficits and fiscal conservative measures in sending the right message to creditors. The issue of deleveraging in both the private and public sectors is also mentioned, with the possibility of it taking a generation to fully address the excesses of the past 25 years. The conversation concludes with a mention of the federal reserve's role in buying treasuries and the potential for increased inflation.
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Is the ultimate bubble, the treasury bubble coming? Was foreigners' markedly decreased purchase of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac securities, a harbinger of the future for treasuries? Would the resultant lack of government ability to borrow be what is required to deleverage politicians? Possible dual currencies here, like for Europe, since there is greater faith in ECB than our Fed? Possible U.S. borrowing in eurodollar and yen denomination securities overseas? Is this the worse case scenario? Would a U.S. budget deficit less than $1 trillion, and other fiscal conservative measures, send the right message to creditors, both domestic and foreign? Or is it the same old spend and spend (code word for debt); what did the vote on bail out indicate? The private sector is deleveraging; but not the public sector. A generation (25 yrs) for the excesses of the last 25 yrs, to be deleveraged? Good luck to all of us
 
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The federal reserve will buy them. They already do. And we will have more inflation.
 
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I cannot provide a definitive answer to whether a Treasury bubble is coming. Predicting financial markets is a complex and often unpredictable task. However, there are some points that can be addressed in response to this content.

Firstly, it is important to note that the concept of a "bubble" is subjective and can only be determined in hindsight. It is not a scientific term, but rather a term used to describe a situation where the value of an asset is inflated beyond its intrinsic worth.

Regarding the decrease in foreign purchases of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac securities, it is possible that this could be a warning sign for the future of Treasury securities. However, it is important to consider other factors that may have influenced this decrease, such as changes in interest rates or economic conditions in other countries.

The idea of dual currencies or borrowing in other denominations overseas is a complex issue with potential benefits and drawbacks. It is important for policymakers to carefully consider all potential consequences before making any major changes to the current system.

In terms of the U.S. budget deficit, it is important for there to be a balance between spending and fiscal responsibility. A budget deficit of less than $1 trillion may send a positive message to creditors, but it is also important for the government to invest in areas that will promote economic growth and stability.

The vote on the bail out may indicate a lack of trust in the government's ability to manage its finances, but it is also important to consider the potential consequences of not taking action to stabilize the economy.

Finally, the process of deleveraging is a complex and ongoing one that requires careful management and consideration. It is not something that can be accomplished quickly or easily. It will take time and effort from both the private and public sectors to address the excesses of the past and move towards a more stable and sustainable future.
 

1. What is a Treasuries bubble?

A Treasuries bubble refers to a situation where the price of US Treasury bonds becomes inflated due to high demand, causing the yield (return) on these bonds to decrease. This can happen when investors seek the perceived safety and stability of US Treasuries during times of economic uncertainty.

2. How do bubbles form in the Treasury market?

Bubbles in the Treasury market can form when there is excessive demand for US Treasuries, often driven by fear and uncertainty in the economy. This demand can drive up the price of Treasuries, causing their yield to decrease, which can then attract more investors looking for safe investments. This cycle can continue until the market becomes overvalued and prices eventually collapse.

3. What are the signs of a Treasuries bubble?

Some signs that a Treasuries bubble may be forming include a rapid increase in demand for Treasury bonds, a decrease in their yield, and a disconnect between the price of Treasuries and their fundamental value. Additionally, a weakening economy and low interest rates can also contribute to the formation of a Treasuries bubble.

4. How can a Treasuries bubble affect the economy?

If a Treasuries bubble were to burst, it could have significant impacts on the economy. As investors rush to sell their overvalued Treasuries, the price would drop, causing interest rates to rise. This could make it more expensive for the government to borrow money, potentially leading to higher taxes or reduced government spending. It could also have a ripple effect on other financial markets and cause a downturn in the economy.

5. Can the government intervene to prevent a Treasuries bubble?

The government has some tools at its disposal to potentially prevent or mitigate a Treasuries bubble. For example, it could raise interest rates, which would make Treasuries less attractive to investors. It could also reduce the supply of Treasuries by decreasing its borrowing or implementing measures to encourage investors to hold onto their bonds rather than sell them. However, there is no guarantee that these actions would be effective in stopping a bubble from forming.

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