What is the relationship between boundedness and total boundedness in R^n?

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In summary: You're living in the world of mathematics where we have to be precise and rigorous in our arguments. It's easy to make mistakes or overlook details, which is why it's important to double check our work.In this case, your proof is incorrect because it assumes that X is bounded above, which is not necessarily true. In order to prove that X is bounded, you need to use the definition of compactness and construct an open cover that demonstrates its boundedness.
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I'm trying to prove that boundedness implies total boundedness in R^n. I'm stuck mostly because I can't convert my geometric intuition into maths. I am failing at the pivotal step where I use the finite-dimensionality. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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I'm looking for an elementary proof. I can think of a non-elementary proof that relies heavily on other theorems but it's not very satisfying.
 
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This depends on the Heine-Borel theorem, but does it satisfy you? If a subset of Rn is bounded, take its closure to get a compact set, and by compactness find a finite covering by ε-balls for any ε > 0.
 
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That's what I mean. I can use Heine-Borel theorem but that's not quite what I want. I have this geometric intuition that I would like to know if I can use rigorously:

Let X be a subset of Rn and assume that it's not totally bounded. Then you can construct an infinite set of points x_n such that d(x_i, x_j)>e for some e>0. The geometric intuition is that if you have infinite number of these points, an infinite number of them must fall on some straight line (because of the finite dimensionality) and then you can use that to show that the diameter of X is not finite thereby completing the proof. The key step that I can't show is that there are an infinity of these points on one straight line.

I'm not sure if this works, but I'd rather not invoke Heine-Borel...
 
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Even better: if a subset X of Rn is bounded, it is contained in some ball (or perhaps a cube might be easier) B. Cover all of Rn with ε-balls centered on points on some sort of lattice; argue that finitely many of these intersect B. Then B is totally bounded, so X, being a subset of B, is as well.
 
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LOL. I was about to make a new thread about this topic.

I have an exam on Wed and I was praticing couple of things. Here is my question,
Suppose X € R^n is compact. Prove that X is bounded.

Let's suppose X is compact.
Let α = supX.
Since X is nonempty for any ε > 0.
There is y € X such that α – ε < y < α
Thus α is a limit point of X which contain all limit points. So α € X.

That proves that X is bounded.

does it make sense? did i do it right?
 
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Your proof is invalid. By saying "let α = sup X", there are two things wrong there:
(1) You're already assuming that X is bounded above, and you're trying to prove that X is bounded.
(2) sup X (and bounded above) only makes sense if X is a subset of [itex]\mathbb{R}[/itex] (or some other ordered set with the least upper bound property)!
Additionally, limit points have little to do with boundedness. (What does "α is a limit point of X which contain all limit points" even mean?)

Remember the definition of compactness. The simplest way to solve that problem is to use the definition of compactness directly; the idea is to find an open cover of X such that each set in the cover is bounded. By compactness, finitely many of these sets cover X, and you have to argue that the union of finitely many bounded sets is bounded.

As a specific example, I denote [itex]B(x; 1)[/itex] to mean the ball of radius [itex]1[/itex] centered at [itex]x[/itex] (that is; [itex]B(x; 1) = \{y \in \mathbb{R}^n \mid \lvert x - y \rvert < 1[/itex]); these balls are open sets (by the definition of the topology induced by a metric space). My open cover will be [itex]\mathcal{O} = \{B(x; 1) \mid x \in X\}[/itex]; it's easy to verify that [itex]\mathcal{O}[/itex] covers [itex]X[/itex]. By compactness, there is a finite subcover [itex]\mathcal{F} \subseteq \mathcal{O}[/itex]. Since I picked each set in [itex]\mathcal{O}[/itex] to be bounded, [itex]X \subseteq \bigcup \mathcal{F}[/itex] is bounded.
 
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wow its wrong? huh what world am i living in?

Let α = supX.
ps: that's alpha.
 

1. What is total boundedness in R^n?

Total boundedness in R^n refers to the concept of a set being bounded in all dimensions in Euclidean space. This means that the set has a finite size and does not extend infinitely in any direction.

2. How is total boundedness different from boundedness?

While boundedness refers to a set having a finite size in a specific dimension, total boundedness requires the set to be bounded in all dimensions. This means that a set can be bounded in one dimension, but not be totally bounded if it extends infinitely in another dimension.

3. What is the importance of total boundedness in mathematics?

Total boundedness is an important concept in mathematics because it allows us to define and understand limits, continuity, and compactness in higher dimensions. It also plays a crucial role in the study of topological spaces and metric spaces.

4. How can total boundedness be proven?

To prove total boundedness in R^n, one must show that for any given positive distance, there exists a finite number of points in the set that are within that distance of each other. This can be proven using the definition of boundedness and the fact that R^n is a complete metric space.

5. What are some real-world applications of total boundedness in R^n?

Total boundedness has various applications in fields such as physics and engineering, where it is used to study the behavior of systems with multiple dimensions. It is also used in computer science and data analysis to define and analyze higher-dimensional datasets and algorithms.

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