Proving Preserved Temporal Order of Cause and Effect

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In summary, an observer in a different reference frame may measure that event B occurred first, even though event A occurred first according to the observer in reference frame S.
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Homework Statement



Because there is no such thing as absolute simultaneity, two observers in relative motion may disagree on which of two events A and B occurred first. Suppose, however, that an observer in reference frame S measures that event A occurred first and caused event B. For example, event A might be pushing a light switch, and event B might be a light bulb turning on. Prove that an observer in another frame S' cannot measure event B (the effect) occurring before event A (the cause). The temporal order of cause and effect is preserved by the Lorentz transformation equations. Hint: For event A to cause event B, information must have traveled from A to B, and the fastest that anything can travel is the speed of light.

Homework Equations



Suppose [itex](x_{A},y_{A},z_{A},t_{A}),(x_{B},y_{B},z_{B},t_{B})[/itex] are the coordinates in the coordinate system S, and [itex](x'_{A},y'_{A},z'_{A},t'_{A}),(x'_{B},y'_{B},z'_{B},t'_{B})[/itex] are the coordinates in the coordinate system S', which is traveling at speed [itex]u<c[/itex] in the positive [itex]x[/itex] direction. Then from the Lorentz transformation equations,
[tex]t'_{A}=\frac{t_{A}-(u x_{A}/c^{2})}{\sqrt{1-(u^{2}/c^{2})}}[/tex]
[tex]t'_{B}=\frac{t_{B}-(u x_{B}/c^{2})}{\sqrt{1-(u^{2}/c^{2})}}[/tex]
[tex]x'_{A}=\frac{x_{A}-u t_{A}}{\sqrt{1-(u^{2}/c^{2})}}[/tex]
[tex]x'_{B}=\frac{x_{B}-u t_{B}}{\sqrt{1-(u^{2}/c^{2})}}[/tex]
[tex]y'_{A}=y_{A}[/tex]
[tex]y'_{B}=y_{B}[/tex]
[tex]z'_{A}=z_{A}[/tex]
[tex]z'_{B}=z_{B}[/tex]

Because B happened after A,
[tex]t_{B} > t_{A}[/tex]

Because event A caused event B,
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{(x_{B}-x_{A})^{2} + (y_{B}-y_{A})^{2} + (z_{B}-z_{A})^{2}}}{t_{B}-t_{A}} \leq c[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I need to prove that [itex]t'_{B} - t'_{A} > 0[/itex]

[tex]t'_{B}-t'_{A} = \frac{(t_{B} - t_{A})-(u/c^{2})(x_{B}-x_{A})}{\sqrt{1-(u^{2}/c^{2})}}[/tex]

What do I do now?
 
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Since the denominator is positive, you just need to show the numerator is positive. That is, prove that
[tex]t_B-t_A > (u/c^2)(x_B-x_A)[/tex]
 
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I can't think of any way of proving that. Which equations should I use?
 
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The one you already wrote:
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{(x_{B}-x_{A})^{2} + (y_{B}-y_{A})^{2} + (z_{B}-z_{A})^{2}}}{t_{B}-t_{A}} \leq c[/tex]
 
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But those are squared terms.

It implies that,

[tex](x_{B} - x_{A})^{2} \leq c^{2} (t_{B} - t_{A})^{2}[/tex]

So,

[tex]\lvert x_{B} - x_{A} \rvert \leq c (t_{B} - t_{A})[/tex]
[tex]\frac{u}{c^{2}} \lvert x_{B} - x_{A} \rvert < (t_{B} - t_{A})[/tex]

This could be either [itex]\frac{u}{c^{2}} ( x_{B} - x_{A} ) < (t_{B} - t_{A})[/itex] or [itex]\frac{u}{c^{2}} ( x_{A} - x_{B} ) < (t_{B} - t_{A})[/itex] depending on whether [itex]x_{B} > x_{A}[/itex] or not.
 
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Oh, OK. If [itex]x_{A} > x_{B}[/itex], then,
[tex]t_{B} - t_{A} > \frac{u}{c^{2}} (x_{A} - x_{B}) > \frac{u}{c^{2}} (x_{B} - x_{A})[/tex], since then[itex](x_{B} - x_{A})[/itex] is negative and [itex](x_{A} - x_{B})[/itex] is positive.

Thanks!
 

1. What is "Preserved Temporal Order of Cause and Effect"?

"Preserved Temporal Order of Cause and Effect" refers to the concept that events or actions occur in a specific sequence, where the cause always precedes the effect. In other words, the cause and effect relationship remains consistent over time.

2. Why is it important to prove preserved temporal order of cause and effect?

Proving preserved temporal order of cause and effect is crucial in scientific research because it allows for the establishment of a causal relationship between two variables. This is essential for understanding and predicting patterns and outcomes in various fields of study.

3. How do scientists prove preserved temporal order of cause and effect?

There are several methods that scientists use to prove preserved temporal order of cause and effect. These include experimental designs, longitudinal studies, and statistical analysis. By carefully controlling for extraneous variables and collecting data over time, scientists can establish a strong case for a cause and effect relationship.

4. Can preserved temporal order of cause and effect be proven in all situations?

No, there are instances where it may be difficult or even impossible to prove preserved temporal order of cause and effect. For example, in complex systems with multiple variables, it can be challenging to isolate and control for all potential influences. Additionally, some phenomena may have multiple causes and effects, making it difficult to determine a specific temporal order.

5. What are the implications of not proving preserved temporal order of cause and effect?

If preserved temporal order of cause and effect is not proven, it can weaken the validity and reliability of scientific findings. Without a clear understanding of the cause and effect relationship, it can be challenging to make accurate predictions or draw meaningful conclusions from research. This can hinder progress and advancements in various fields of study.

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