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If Rumsfeld is fired/resigns, will Wolfowitz become the secretary of defense, or will someone new be appointed in Rumsfeld's place and Wolfowitz stay deputy?
wasteofo2 said:So if Rumsfeld resigns, is Wolfowitz automatically out, or is it just likely that he'll go too? Is there any sort of order with what happens if cabinet members retire, like with the president>vice president>speaker of the house thing, or is it all just up to the president?
Indeed Kat. That's probably what Dem's they are up. Put the pressure.kat said:That's what I was thinking Palestrian. I can see the Dem's blocking Bush's nominations repeatedly.
Probably not ... but the pressure grows. Not just inside US. Rumsfeld lost it's credibility.Njorl said:There's no way it would happen before the election. Firing Rumsfeld would be an admission that the Iraq invasion has been a mistake. Also, Bush relies on the idea of a "President as CEO". He is not an idea man. His talent is supposed to be picking people. If he fails at picking a secretary of defense, what is he good for?
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pelastration said:BTW, that NATO attitude is what John Kerry will use: " See, other leaders don't want Bush anymore" ...and he's right.
pelastration said:Prob
BTW, that NATO attitude is what John Kerry will use: " See, other leaders don't want Bush anymore" ...and he's right.
Njorl,Njorl said:Ever been to the US? More than anything else, we can't stand other people telling us what to do. While it would be bad for Bush if his relationships with foreign leaders went badly, it would actually help him if those leaders expressed a desire for Kerry to win.
Been in USA? About 50 times.Njorl said:Ever been to the US? More than anything else, we can't stand other people telling us what to do. While it would be bad for Bush if his relationships with foreign leaders went badly, it would actually help him if those leaders expressed a desire for Kerry to win.
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That's wonderful, what areas? Were you here for any length of time? You know, I have many friends and relatives from europe, the middleast and asia and I don't think it is easy to grasp the "American" Physcological mind even after years of being in this country. Although I often think a good comparision, in some respects, not in others, would be to an adolescent...they know everything, are over sensitive, don't want to be told what to do...and really want to do it their way..etc.pelastration said:Been in USA? About 50 times.
I have, but I don't get the relevence of this comment to U.S. politics?Ever been in Europe?
Most of the Iraqi's I have spoken with think that these people are getting far to much attention and compassion after what they have done to their own people and that they deserve far worse then this. Again, not all..and I don't agree. But I also don't think they need you to speak for them as a whole, painting their thoughts and opinions, which differ so widely...with one big sweep...More than anything else, Iraqi's can't stand other people telling them what to do.
Ever been in Iraq?
Actually, Iraqi's love to have people tell them what to do. They readily submit to any powerful person that appears on the scene. That's part of the problem we have in Iraq, we haven't been as harsh as their mullahs, so we don't get as much respect because we're seen as being weak.pelastration said:More than anything else, Iraqi's can't stand other people telling them what to do.
kat said:That's wonderful, what areas? Were you here for any length of time? You know, I have many friends and relatives from europe, the middleast and asia and I don't think it is easy to grasp the "American" Physcological mind even after years of being in this country. Although I often think a good comparision, in some respects, not in others, would be to an adolescent...they know everything, are over sensitive, don't want to be told what to do...and really want to do it their way..etc.
I have, but I don't get the relevence of this comment to U.S. politics?
Most of the Iraqi's I have spoken with think that these people are getting far to much attention and compassion after what they have done to their own people and that they deserve far worse then this. Again, not all..and I don't agree. But I also don't think they need you to speak for them as a whole, painting their thoughts and opinions, which differ so widely...with one big sweep...
Hughes, you don't want me to comment this. I tell you.hughes johnson said:Actually, Iraqi's love to have people tell them what to do. They readily submit to any powerful person that appears on the scene. That's part of the problem we have in Iraq, we haven't been as harsh as their mullahs, so we don't get as much respect because we're seen as being weak.
pelastration said:Hughes, you don't want me to comment this. I tell you.
Tell me, are you the father confessor for these NATO leaders. The last time I looked 19 of the 26 NATO members were part of the coalition of the willing and none seem to be wavering to that commitment.pelastration said:Probably not ... but the pressure grows. Not just inside US. Rumsfeld lost it's credibility.
Just think about NATO members waiting till after the elections to look if they will go to Iraq. What credibility has US to go to UN? Are they in control in Iraq? No.
Will Powell be able to correct? Will he only move when the newcon 'Gestapo guys' become less powerful? That's probably what will happen. Put Powell in the spots, give him more power.
BTW, that NATO attitude is what John Kerry will use: " See, other leaders don't want Bush anymore" ...and he's right.
Sure father confessor of Paul Richter (LA Times).Robert Zaleski said:Tell me, are you the father confessor for these NATO leaders. The last time I looked 19 of the 26 NATO members were part of the coalition of the willing and none seem to be wavering to that commitment.
kat said:You know, Pelastration, Hughes is right...your post are so long that I seldom have time or a desire to read them completely. It'd be much kinder to us if you were to post a blurb with the link and then your own summation.
pelastration said:OK Kat. :uhh: :blush:
I rarely read links except to confirm facts. Opinions (reasoned and substantiated) are all I am looking for.phatmonky said:I agree. While I guess it's positive that you copy and paste articles throughout a single thread, it would be good to hear your thoughts instead.
LOL. Even a broken watch has the right time twice a day...kat said:You know, Pelastration, Hughes is right...
hughes johnson said:Actually, Iraqi's love to have people tell them what to do. They readily submit to any powerful person that appears on the scene. That's part of the problem we have in Iraq, we haven't been as harsh as their mullahs, so we don't get as much respect because we're seen as being weak.
Huh? I don't know what "pels item" is, but we've already had the burden-of-proof discussion several times, amp.amp said:Funny, where is the reasoning or back up to your assertions that PELS ITEM (L),FOR INSTANCE isn't torture? Russ?
I tend to agree, but I wonder what separates Iraq from a country like Yugoslavia, where the citizens rose up and walked virtually unchallenged into the capital to arrest their dictator. Where were the Yugoslavian warlords and terrorists?I think Iraqis are habituated to tyranny, but I don't think they love it. It is one of the things that makes the stakes so high in Iraq. Would-be dictators know that if they can seize power, the people will not rise up en mass to throw them out. I would be much more encouraged if there were a million Iraqis protesting in the streets of Baghdad, demanding that we leave. Instead, small groups of gunmen are just trying to stay "in the game" until the US leaves. Then, there will be many attempts at power grabs.
wasteofo2 said:So, about my actual question:
Pelastration, you said Wolfowitz would become acting secretary, would Bush later appoint a new Secretary of Defense and Wolfowitz become deputy again, or would Wolfowitz become Secretary of Defense and a new deputy be chosen?
I realize it's unlikely that Bush will dump Rumsfeld, I'm just curious about the process that would happen if he did.