Analyzing Spectra: Comparing Visible/NIR Stars

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In summary, the conversation discusses using two spectra of a star to derive the combined atmospheric and instrumental response of the system. The first spectrum is from an online resource and the second is observed using a spectrometer. The data values at each wavelength are assumed to be proportional to the number of photons, but there are concerns about the units being different. The assumption that each data point is the energy integrated over a small wavelength interval seems reasonable, but there are potential issues with non-linear responses and variations with temperature. To ensure reliable results, it is recommended to quantify and account for these potential issues.
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I have two spectra of a star across the visible and NIR. One spectrum comes from an online resource (CALSPEC) for spectrophotometric standards, and it provides a wavelength array along with a corresponding array of flux values (in units of ergs s-1 cm-2 Å-1)

The second spectrum is the observed spectrum of this standard star (using the LRIS spectrometer on Keck). Now, the data values at each wavelength for this spectrum are presumably proportional to the number of photons at that wavelength. So if I multiply each value by hc/λ, I then have data values that are proportional to the photon energy at that wavelength (in ergs). I want to compare these two spectra so that I can derive the combined atmospheric and instrumental response of the system on the observing night in question. Therefore, I want to somehow get these spectra into the same units:

I'm not too worried about the per cm and per second, because I'm assuming that each data point is the energy corresponding to the flux integrated over the exposure time of the detector and integrated over the area on the detector that roughly corresponds to each pixel. Therefore, the difference between these "energy" values and the corresponding "flux" values is a constant that can be absorbed into the system response. Is my assumption correct?

It's the per wavelength part that is especially confusing to me. Although I said that the data points in the observed spectrum correspond to the energies at each wavelength, it doesn't make sense to talk about the energy at a single, specific, wavelength, does it? I say that because the spectrum being observed varies continuously with wavelength, and there is also a limit to how narrow a line can be, and how fine the spectral resolution of the instrument can be. Therefore I imagine that the only thing you would be able to measure would be energy integrated over a certain small wavelength interval. In this case, since the spectrograph uses a dispersive element (a grism), a certain wavelength interval corresponds to a certain physical distance on the detector. Therefore, I am assuming that each data point is the energy that has already been integrated over a wavelength band corresponding to the width of a pixel. Does this assumption seem reasonable? I don't have enough detailed info about the instrument to go any further. If this assumption is true, then it would seem that in order to get the per angstrom part, it would suffice to divide each data point in the observed spectrum by the wavelength spacing (bin width) which is constant. Then I will be able to compare the two spectra and derive the instrumental response. What do you think?
 
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Therefore, the difference between these "energy" values and the corresponding "flux" values is a constant that can be absorbed into the system response. Is my assumption correct?

Hmmm I doubt it. Lots of fun nonlinear responses can happen in a light sensor and its associated circuitry, and all those curves would vary with its temperature. 'Course it mainly depends on what precision you want. But things to watch out for are power non-linearity, time non-linearity (skew rates, etc.), adjacent pixel behavior, correlated pixel noise (this is the most likely problem. Its a real bear because it varies with incident light power. Sometimes it helps to take a dark capture or several blank captures with different intensities and subtract the appropriate one from other captures. You might also mechanically move the spectrum over the sensor array so different pixels get the same frequency at different times, to help integrate-out the pixel idiosyncrasies), variations in uncorrelated noise with temp, ambient RF interference, and again, all this varying with temperature.

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Therefore, I am assuming that each data point is the energy that has already been integrated over a wavelength band corresponding to the width of a pixel. Does this assumption seem reasonable?

Seems so. Hopefully that bandwidth is easily and reliably predictable per pixel.

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If this assumption is true, then it would seem that in order to get the per angstrom part, it would suffice to divide each data point in the observed spectrum by the wavelength spacing (bin width) which is constant. Then I will be able to compare the two spectra and derive the instrumental response. What do you think?

Makes sense.
 
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Thanks for your response, fleem.

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Hmmm I doubt it. Lots of fun nonlinear responses can happen in a light sensor and its associated circuitry, and all those curves would vary with its temperature. 'Course it mainly depends on what precision you want. But things to watch out for are power non-linearity, time non-linearity (skew rates, etc.), adjacent pixel behavior, correlated pixel noise (this is the most likely problem. Its a real bear because it varies with incident light power. Sometimes it helps to take a dark capture or several blank captures with different intensities and subtract the appropriate one from other captures. You might also mechanically move the spectrum over the sensor array so different pixels get the same frequency at different times, to help integrate-out the pixel idiosyncrasies), variations in uncorrelated noise with temp, ambient RF interference, and again, all this varying with temperature.

Variation of the pixel response with time and with incident power seems like a huge problem, especially if I want to use my derived responsivity curve (= observed spectrum / standard spectrum) to take out the system response from other spectra (spectra of the actual target of interest) that were taken on the same night. Given that I am stuck with the data I have and can't really go and do any of the things you suggested in parentheses, what would you recommend? How can I be sure that once I have divided out my system response from my target spectra, that what I have left are reliable "flux" values (EDIT: this last part being rather important because I want to compare line strengths)?

EDIT 2: It seems like what I might have to do is just make some effort to quantify the error involved at each stage of the data collection and analysis and use that to come up with reasonable uncertainties.
 

1. What is a spectrum?

A spectrum is a representation of the different wavelengths of light emitted or absorbed by a particular object. In the context of stars, a spectrum can tell us about the chemical composition, temperature, and other physical properties of the star.

2. How is a spectrum of a star obtained?

A spectrum of a star is obtained by using a spectrograph, which splits the light from the star into its component wavelengths. The resulting spectrum is then recorded and analyzed.

3. What is the difference between visible and NIR spectra?

Visible spectra cover the range of wavelengths that are visible to the human eye, from approximately 400-700 nanometers. NIR (Near-Infrared) spectra cover longer wavelengths, from approximately 700-2500 nanometers, which are not visible to the human eye but can provide information about the heat emitted by the star.

4. How can spectra be used to compare stars?

Spectra can be used to compare stars by analyzing the specific wavelengths of light that are emitted or absorbed by each star. This can reveal differences in chemical composition, temperature, and other physical properties, allowing scientists to classify and categorize stars.

5. What can we learn from comparing visible and NIR spectra of stars?

Comparing visible and NIR spectra of stars can provide a more complete understanding of the physical properties of the star. For example, the presence of certain elements in the NIR spectrum that are not present in the visible spectrum can indicate a lower temperature or different composition of the star. This information can also help us better understand the evolution and formation of stars.

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