Temperature at which ground state and first excited state have equal populations

In summary, the conversation discusses the ratio of populations between the ground state and first excited state of pure hydrogen gas at a temperature of 10080 K. The Boltzmann equation is used to calculate this ratio, which is found to be 0.000031665. The conversation also touches on finding the temperature at which both levels have equal populations, which is found to be -85411.7 Kelvins. The conversation notes that this calculation assumes the populations are equal, not just the temperatures.
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Homework Statement


Consider a pure hydrogen hydrogen gas ata tempeature of 10080 K. What is the ratio of the populations of the ground state(n=1) to the first excited state(n=2). Note that the energy difference is 1.634e-18 joules between these two states. At what temperature would both levels have equal populations?


Homework Equations



Boltzmann equation: N(B)/N(A)= g(b)/g(a) exp[(E(A)-E(B))/kT
g=2*n^2

The Attempt at a Solution


finding N(B)/N(A) was easy. N(2)/N(1)=2(2)^2/2(1)^2*exp(1.634e-18 joules)/(10080 K)(1.380 *10^-23))= .000031665

I had a difficult time finding the Temperature when both populations are equal. When both populations are equal, does that imply N(a)/N(b) = 1 because N(a)=N(B)?

Now finding the temperature is simple : 1=4 exp(1.634e-18 joules/(T(1.380e-23)) => T= -85411.7 Kelvins.

The only problem is I don't know if I should assume N(B)/N(A) = 1 , just because the temperatures are equal
 
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No, you shouldn't assume N(B)/N(A) = 1 because the temperatures are equal.
You should assume it because you assume that the populations are equal; then you fill in the formula and solve for the temperature where this occurs.

So you have obtained the right answer with the right method but with a wrong way of thought :smile:
 
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CompuChip said:
No, you shouldn't assume N(B)/N(A) = 1 because the temperatures are equal.
You should assume it because you assume that the populations are equal; then you fill in the formula and solve for the temperature where this occurs.

So you have obtained the right answer with the right method but with a wrong way of thought :smile:

sorry, I meant to say that the populations are equal, so should I assume that N(a)/N(b)=1 since N(a)=N(b)
 
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Then you got the right answer by the right method and a typo :)
 

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