Rational Numbers That Are Hard To Prove?

In summary: Sierpiński)In summary, there have been many instances where the question of whether a number is rational or not has remained unanswered for a significant amount of time, such as with the well-known constants pi and e. Some of these questions are still open, but it is generally believed that numbers with complex descriptions are likely to be irrational. However, there have also been cases where numbers with simpler descriptions were thought to be irrational for decades before being proven rational, such as Legendre's constant in 1899 and a constant with an unknown name that is suspected to be exactly zero. Other famous constants, such as the ones introduced by Legendre, Chebyshev, and Sierpiński, have
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There are lots of examples of numbers where "is it a rational number" has been an open question for a while before being proved as not being rational. Pi and e being famous examples. Some of them are still open, like pi+e, or the Euler-Mascharoni constant, but I think the general consensus is that constants like these almost surely are going to be irrational. So I was wondering are there any examples of numbers whose rationality was unknown for an extended period of time (Beyond the first time the question was raised would be interesting, but something on the order of decades would be really nice) before it was discovered that the number is rational?
 
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This is rather unlikely. The problem comes with the question itself: you have to describe the number somehow. And this description is either within rationals or so complex, that it is almost certainly irrational, if not transcendent. I thought of something like the matrix exponent, the lower bound for the complexity of matrix multiplication, but it is unknown. And so are probably all interesting examples.
 
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Legendre's constant was introduced 1808. It was shown to be exactly 1 (and therefore rational) in 1899.

This problem lead to the question what the lower limit on c is (Erdős, 1940). The answer is 0 (shown 2005).

There is some other more famous constant where I don't find the name now that is suspected to be exactly zero.
 
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mfb said:
Legendre's constant was introduced 1808. It was shown to be exactly 1 (and therefore rational) in 1899.

This problem lead to the question what the lower limit on c is (Erdős, 1940). The answer is 0 (shown 2005).

There is some other more famous constant where I don't find the name now that is suspected to be exactly zero.
1798 (Legendre) 1849 (Chebyshev)
 

What are rational numbers that are hard to prove?

Rational numbers that are hard to prove are numbers that cannot be expressed as a ratio of two integers, but can be approximated by rational numbers with increasing accuracy. These numbers are called irrational numbers and include pi, e, and the square root of 2.

Why are rational numbers that are hard to prove important?

Rational numbers that are hard to prove are important because they represent a fundamental concept in mathematics and have many real-world applications. They are also essential in understanding the concept of infinity and the nature of numbers.

How can rational numbers that are hard to prove be represented?

Rational numbers that are hard to prove can be represented in decimal form, but these numbers will have an infinite number of digits after the decimal point. They can also be represented symbolically using mathematical notation.

What is the difference between rational and irrational numbers?

The main difference between rational and irrational numbers is that rational numbers can be expressed as a ratio of two integers, while irrational numbers cannot. Another difference is that rational numbers have a finite or repeating decimal representation, while irrational numbers have an infinite and non-repeating decimal representation.

How are rational numbers that are hard to prove used in real life?

Rational numbers that are hard to prove are used in various fields such as engineering, physics, and computer science. They are essential in calculations involving circles, waves, and other natural phenomena. They are also used in financial analysis, cryptography, and data compression.

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