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Is there an intuitive basis for the Lagrangian?

 
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Dec29-12, 09:03 AM   #18
 

Is there an intuitive basis for the Lagrangian?


The additional explanation required by stationary is necessary to get an accurate view of what is going on. You indeed never get a maximum w.r.t. all parameters but a saddle point is not uncommon and with more than one parameter this implies we have a maximum w.r.t to some parameters not a minimum.

Approaches to mechanics that try invoke a non-existant law that nature is magically trying to minimize action ;) just don't work in these very real saddle point cases.
 
Dec29-12, 11:24 AM   #19
 
Thanks for all the comments. It is quite amazing that the Lagrangian is so fruitful in ways that Lagrange could never have imagined. For example, I was just reviewing its application to quantum field theory.
I am continually awed by the mathematical nature of the universe.
 
Feb15-13, 12:19 AM   #20
 
why do nature always take the path of least energy, or in hamilton/lagrange term of least action, im sure this can be answered by quantum mechanics one day and when that day come, i will not be surprise to see physicist controlling energy n matter up to the atoms n quarks.
I became crazy when im learning hamilton and lagrangian mechanics, how difficult problems are magically solved just bey energy considerations.
 
Feb15-13, 08:14 AM   #21
 
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why do nature always take the path of least energy, or in hamilton/lagrange term of least action, im sure this can be answered by quantum mechanics one day and when that day come, i will not be surprise to see physicist controlling energy n matter up to the atoms n quarks.
Quantum mechanics has already answered this. The 'path of least energy' shows up naturally in the path integral formulation.
 
Feb15-13, 08:28 AM   #22
 
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Quantum mechanics has already answered this. The 'path of least energy' shows up naturally in the path integral formulation.
Cool, i havent yet started my course modules on quantum mechanics, but im impatient to begin next year in the meantime i watch Susskind on youtube when i can.
 
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