Oblique Collisions and Momentum Conservation in Identical Mass Objects

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In summary, the conversation discusses equations for momentum conservation in an oblique collision when two objects of identical mass hit each other at a slight angle. These equations can only be consistent if the collision occurs at right angles. The equations involve vectors and state that p1.p2 = 0. The final line of the conversation questions why p2.p2 is not included in the substitution in the third line of the equations.
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In an oblique collision (when one object hits another object of IDENTICAL mass at a slight angle the two objects move at right angles to each other.

my book says

p2 = p12 + p22

For momenum conservtation:

p= p1+ p2

apparently these equations can only be consistent of the collision occurs at right angles. why?
 
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These are vectors, right?
p.p = (p1+p2).(p1+p2) [2nd equn]
= p1.p1 + 2.p1.p2 + p2.p2
= p.p + 2.p1.p2 [1st equn]
Hence p1.p2 = 0
 
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haruspex said:
These are vectors, right?
p.p = (p1+p2).(p1+p2) [2nd equn]
= p1.p1 + 2.p1.p2 + p2.p2
= p.p + 2.p1.p2 [1st equn]
Hence p1.p2 = 0

where has p2.p2 gone in the final line
surely the final line should be
= p1.p2 + p2.p2, no?
 
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1st equn says p.p = p1.p1 + p2.p2
To get from my second line to my third line, use this to substitute p.p for p1.p1 + p2.p2.
 
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This is because momentum conservation is based on the principle that the total momentum of a system remains constant before and after a collision. In an oblique collision, the two objects have different velocities and therefore different momenta before the collision. If the collision occurs at an angle, the direction of the velocities will change and the resulting momenta of the objects will also be in different directions. This means that the total momentum of the system will not be conserved in this case. However, if the collision occurs at right angles, the direction of the velocities will change but the magnitudes of the momenta will remain the same, allowing for momentum conservation to hold true.
 

What is an oblique collision?

An oblique collision is a type of collision where two objects of equal mass collide at an angle, rather than head on.

What is momentum conservation?

Momentum conservation is a fundamental principle of physics that states the total momentum of a system remains constant, unless acted upon by an external force. In the case of oblique collisions between identical mass objects, the total momentum before and after the collision remains the same.

How does momentum conservation apply to oblique collisions between identical mass objects?

In oblique collisions between identical mass objects, momentum conservation means that the total momentum of the objects before and after the collision will be equal. This means that the sum of the initial momenta of the objects will be equal to the sum of the final momenta after the collision.

What is the formula for calculating momentum in oblique collisions?

The formula for calculating momentum in oblique collisions is the same as the formula for calculating momentum in any other type of collision. It is given by the product of an object's mass and velocity, represented by the equation p = m * v. In the case of identical mass objects colliding, the formula can be simplified to p = 2m * v, as both objects have the same mass.

What happens to the direction of motion in oblique collisions?

In oblique collisions between identical mass objects, the direction of motion will change for both objects. This is because the objects are colliding at an angle, causing a change in their trajectories. However, the total momentum and kinetic energy will remain the same.

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