What is the average speed of the driver.

In summary, the driver of a car traveling at a uniform speed sees a milestone with a 2-digit number, and after one hour sees another milestone with the same digits in reverse order. After another hour, the driver sees a third milestone with the same 2 digits. The average speed of the driver can be calculated by systematically trying different combinations of numbers and deducing the fixed spacing of 50 miles between observations. It is possible to assume that the numbers are increasing and that the first digit in the first observation is less than the second digit. However, the solution must also consider the placement of the digits in the final number, and it is revealed that the first digit can be equal to 1. This method eliminates the need for trial
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A car travellinf at a uniform speed. The driver sees a milestone showing 2-digit number.After traveling for an hour the driver sees another milestone with same digits in reverse order. After another hour the driver sees another milestone containing the same 2 digits. What is the average speed of the driver.
 
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This is more of a brain teaser then it is a physics problem. You need to start by systematicly trying different combinations of numbers. Looks like you can assume that the numbers are increasing. From there it is a matter of trial and error to come up with a pair of numbers that satisfies the conditions of the problem.
 
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There is no trial and error involved. You know the numbers are increasing based on the third observation which must be a three digit number whose first digit is 1. Because of this, the first digit in the first observation must be less than the second digit. The spacing (miles) between observations is fixed and you can deduce the spacing directly (50 miles) giving the speed. The question does not ask what the two unknown digits are and, fortuitously, they drop out.
 
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I don't think that the speed can be 50. If we take [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] to be the two digits we're concerned with the first two statements give us:

[tex]10x + y + z = 10y + x[/tex]
[tex]z = 9(y-x)[/tex]

Where [itex]z[/itex] is the speed. So, since [itex]x,y \in \mathrm{Integers}[/itex], [itex]z[/itex] must be an integer multiple of 9.

I did the rest by guessing, I couldn't get an expression for the final condition that would give me anything useful. Having gotten the answer I can see why my expressions were giving me nonsense, but I can't think of a way to come up with an algebraic condition that doesn't immediately give away the answer via my explination as to why I chose it ;)
 
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You also know that

z = 100 + 10 x + y - (10 y + x) = 100 + 9(x-y)

Now add this to the equation you already have to find z.
 
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If I do that I'm back to z=50 again:

z = 100 + 9(x-y)
z = 100 - z
z = 50

Which contradicts the first equation I substituted in. This was the same equation I was trying to use when solving the problem on my own, and I think it makes an assumption about the placement of the digits in the final number which is not necessarily true. I'll send you a PM with more details since I don't want to give away the whole solution here so that the OP will still have something to work on :)
 
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Dicerandom,

Yes, you are correct! I made a false assumption about the placement of the digits.
 
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dicerandom said:
I don't think that the speed can be 50. If we take [itex]x[/itex] and [itex]y[/itex] to be the two digits we're concerned with the first two statements give us:
[tex]10x + y + z = 10y + x[/tex]
[tex]z = 9(y-x)[/tex]
Where [itex]z[/itex] is the speed. So, since [itex]x,y \in \mathrm{Integers}[/itex], [itex]z[/itex] must be an integer multiple of 9.
I did the rest by guessing, I couldn't get an expression for the final condition that would give me anything useful. Having gotten the answer I can see why my expressions were giving me nonsense, but I can't think of a way to come up with an algebraic condition that doesn't immediately give away the answer via my explination as to why I chose it ;)
You are right up to now. The speed should be an integer multiple of 9, y>x, and the third number starts with 1. Now this 1 can be among the numbers x and y, but y cancels out as y>x. So x can be equal to 1. Try out this possibility. You'll get something reasonable I promise :)

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1. What is average speed?

Average speed is the total distance traveled divided by the total time taken to travel that distance. It is a measure of how fast an object is moving, on average, over a given period of time.

2. How is average speed different from instantaneous speed?

Average speed is calculated over a period of time, while instantaneous speed is the speed at a specific moment in time. Average speed takes into account any changes in speed over the entire journey, while instantaneous speed only reflects the speed at one specific point.

3. What are the units of measurement for average speed?

The units of measurement for average speed depend on the units used for distance and time. For example, if distance is measured in kilometers and time in hours, the average speed will be in kilometers per hour (km/h).

4. Can average speed be negative?

Yes, average speed can be negative if the distance traveled is in the opposite direction of the motion. For example, if a car travels 100 km north and then travels 50 km south, its average speed would be -50 km/h.

5. How is average speed related to velocity?

Average speed and velocity are related, but they are not the same. Velocity is a vector quantity that includes direction, while average speed is a scalar quantity that only considers magnitude. Average speed is the absolute value of average velocity, meaning it does not take into account the direction of motion.

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