How Does Submerging a Thistle Tube Affect Gas Escape in Acid-Metal Reactions?

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In summary, by submerging the thistle tube below the acid level, gas generated in the reaction is prevented from seeping through the tube and escaping into the atmosphere. This is because the pressure in the beaker is greater than atmospheric pressure, causing the gas to displace water in the collection beaker. Additionally, any air in the reaction beaker will mix with the collected gas, making it difficult to accurately measure the amount of gas produced. Submerging the thistle tube prevents this mixing and allows for more accurate measurement.
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This might seem like a chemistry question, but the principle behind it is mainly physics.

How does keeping the thistle tube below the acid level prevent gas from seeping through it in a acid and metal reaction? In case you are wondering the thistle tube is the tube with a bulb-like opening at the top in the attachment. In the diagram, the thistle tube is above the acid level, but that's not the point, since it's just to show you what it looks like. Please explain this. Thanks.
 

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If the picture provided is not the set up you are using, how can we help? Please provide a better description of how your apparutus is set up. Also a better description of the experiment would not hurt.
 
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If the picture provided is not the set up you are using, how can we help? Please provide a better description of how your apparutus is set up. Also a better description of the experiment would not hurt.

A better of how my apparatus is setup:

Well, we have a beaker filled with water and inverted in a tub of water, where the gas is collected in.

After that, we have a stopper with 2 holes. One is for a tube that directs the gas into the beaker. The other one is for the "Thistle tube". After a piece of active metal is placed into the flask and with the stopper in place as well, we add acid through the thistle tube to start the reaction.

A better picture, as you can see the only difference is that the thistle tube is submerged in the acid, which is the proper method. I still don't know why this is needed to prevent the gas from seeping through the thistle tube.
 

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Clearly, if your thistle tube were not below the surface of the liquid in the beaker, any gas generated by your reaction would simply exit the beaker through the open tube to the atmosphere. With the Thistle tube below the surface of the acid, once the pressure in the beaker is greater then atmospheric, the gas will displace water in the collection beaker. There will be some gas generated inside the thistle tube but only a very small amount.

I assume that initially the reaction beaker is completely filled with acid. If there is any air above the acid any gas collected will be mixed with what was initially in the reaction beaker.

There will be some of the reacting material forced up the thistle tube by the same pressure which forces the evolving gasses into the collection beaker. But since the density of the reacting materials is much greater then that of the gas being evolved, the column in the thistle tube should not reach the level of the collection bottle.
 

1. What is pressure and how is it measured?

Pressure is the force applied on a surface per unit area. It is measured using a device called a manometer, which can be a mercury column or a pressure gauge, to measure the height of the liquid in a tube.

2. What is the purpose of a thistle tube in pressure experiments?

A thistle tube is used to introduce or remove gases from a closed system without altering the pressure inside. It allows for controlled changes in the gas volume without affecting the pressure.

3. How does the height of liquid in a thistle tube relate to pressure?

The height of liquid in a thistle tube is directly proportional to the pressure exerted by the gas in the system. As the pressure increases, the height of the liquid in the tube also increases.

4. Can pressure and thistle tubes be used in experiments with liquids?

Yes, pressure and thistle tubes can also be used in experiments with liquids. The height of the liquid in the thistle tube will correspond to the pressure exerted by the liquid in the system.

5. Are there any limitations to using a thistle tube in pressure experiments?

One limitation of using a thistle tube is that it can only be used for gases or liquids that do not react with the liquid in the tube. Also, the tube must be vertical and the liquid must be at the same level in the thistle tube and the surrounding liquid for accurate measurements.

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