The 3D equivalent to Quaternion?

In summary, the conversation discusses the search for a three-dimensional equivalent to quaternions and their use in describing three-dimensional rotations. It is noted that quaternion and octonion are more popular than other groups that use imaginary numbers. This is explained by the fact that the next algebra after quaternions, the octonions, is the last one with no new ones after it. The conversation also touches upon the concept of division algebras and their relationship to projective spaces, and concludes that the only possible division algebras have dimensions 2^s, with the only actual ones being 1, 2, 4, and 8.
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Aidman
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Hi all,

Was wondering if the 3-dimensional equivalent to Quaternion has a name? And why does it seem like (at least for me) that only the groups, who’s number of values it holds is 2^n (where n is a integer value), are more intensively used compared to those who’s value count is not 2^n? I am for instance talking about complex numbers, quaternion and octonion. Is it just me or is there a reason for why these are more popular then groups who for example uses the imaginary numbers i and j? Please note that I am just asking of curiosity.

EDIT: sry if this all sounds foolish or unnecessary
 
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In the middle 19th century, people had been looking for a three component "hypernumber" that would do for three dimensional space what complex two component numbers did for the plane. Nobody succeeded. Hamilton realized that the algbra that described three dimensional rotations was not three component but four component. His quaternions are actually the algebraic decriptors of three dimensional motions. They obey all the algebraic laws except commutation, but that is all right, because the rotations in three space are not commutative.

You are perfectly right about the powers of two. Google on "Clifford Algebras" to see the reasons. The next algebra up from the quaternions is that of the octonions. Eight components. But there is a theorem that there are no new ones after that, and the octonions in addition to being not commutative, are also not associative.
 
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selfAdjoint said:
You are perfectly right about the powers of two. Google on "Clifford Algebras" to see the reasons. The next algebra up from the quaternions is that of the octonions. Eight components. But there is a theorem that there are no new ones after that, and the octonions in addition to being not commutative, are also not associative.

AKA "Cayley numbers", and it was Frobenius who proved that there are only the complex numbers (which aren't ordered), quaternions (which aren't communative), and the Cayley numbers (which aren't even associative)
 
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There is a cute way to look at this problem using topology (and related to clifford algebras probably).

Note that the complex number multiplication on R^2 let's us define for each unit vector v in R^2 a perpendicular one iv, and hence a non zero vector at v, tangent to the unit circle, which is also viewed as P^1, the projective line.

Thus the existence of this multiplication implies that P^1 has one field of non zero tangent vectors, i.e. a trivial tangent bundle.

In general a division algebra structure R^n x R^n -->R^n, implies that P^(n-1) has (n-1) independent fields of non zero tangent vectors, hence a trivial tangent bundle.

Now there is a little gadget for confirming triviality of a tangent bundle called a stiefel whitney class w. These can actually be computed for projective spaces and one can show that w(P^r) is only zero when r +1 = 2^s, for some s.

It follows immediately that the only possible division algebras have dimension 2^s.

That the only actual ones have dimensions 1,2,4,8, is harder I guess.
 

1. What is the 3D equivalent to Quaternion?

The 3D equivalent to Quaternion is known as a rotation matrix. It is a mathematical representation of a three-dimensional rotation that can be used to describe the orientation of an object in 3D space.

2. How is the 3D equivalent to Quaternion different from Quaternion?

The main difference between the 3D equivalent to Quaternion and Quaternion is the number of dimensions they represent. Quaternion represents a rotation in 4D space, while the 3D equivalent represents a rotation in 3D space. This means that Quaternion can describe rotations in all directions, while the 3D equivalent can only describe rotations along three axes.

3. What are the advantages of using the 3D equivalent to Quaternion?

The 3D equivalent to Quaternion is advantageous because it is more intuitive and easier to understand than Quaternion. It also has a simpler mathematical representation, making it easier to work with in calculations and programming. Additionally, the 3D equivalent is more widely used in computer graphics and 3D animation.

4. How is the 3D equivalent to Quaternion calculated?

The 3D equivalent to Quaternion is calculated using a 3x3 rotation matrix. This matrix is constructed using the three angles of rotation (pitch, yaw, and roll) and can be used to transform a vector in 3D space to its rotated position.

5. Can the 3D equivalent to Quaternion be used for all types of rotations?

Yes, the 3D equivalent to Quaternion can be used for all types of rotations, including rotations along a single axis, multiple axes, or a combination of rotations. It can also handle rotations in both clockwise and counterclockwise directions.

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