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Is it powerful as shown in hollywood movies like enemy of the state , bourne series and many more?
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Hyperspace2 said:Is it powerfull as shown in hollywood movies like enemy of the sate , bourne series and many more
Jimmy Snyder said:They can't hold a candle to Mosad. Especially when both are in the same movie. On the other hand, you probably read it yourself in Computer Week before the KGB finds out about it. The Aruban spy agency is the best party agency for the 15th year running according to our staff. The Chinese spy agency is so good that no one even knows the name of it. You don't hear much about the Bora Bora spy agency but since they took UARS out, that may change.
wuliheron said:The real spooky characters are the NSA (affectionately called "No Such Agency") and whatever other organizations might exist that nobody knows about. They're set up at the pentagon where the lines between the military and intelligence community become blurred. The sheer size of all these combined assets is mind boggling and its difficult to underestimate their power...
These are not people you can easily keep secrets from and they're not to be trifled with.
Hyperspace2 said:Is it powerfull as shown in hollywood movies like enemy of the sate , bourne series and many more
phinds said:The NSA is NOT set up at the Pentagon ... they have a huge complex out at Ft. Meade, Md.
phoenix:\\ said:I would like to know how these people know the CIA is not as powerful as the Hollywood movies or even more powerful than the movies?
phoenix:\\ said:I would like to know how these people know the CIA is not as powerful as the Hollywood movies or even more powerful than the movies?
nsaspook said:CIA: State Dept: Diplomats, treaties and picking pretty flowers.
NSA: Defense Dept: Marines and blowing things up.
Proton Soup said:let's see, you're in biochem? you have any opinion on the silly stuff you see in shows like CSI?
hollywood has its own set of magic physics, chemistry, etc.
Proton Soup said:yes, that would certainly explain why NSA hires so many mathematicians
phoenix:\\ said:I would like to know how these people know the CIA is not as powerful as the Hollywood movies or even more powerful than the movies?
phoenix:\\ said:You guys are nasty. Those mathematicians are marines first, mathematicians second. Obviously there is a lot more thought placed in today's marine than what you are used to seeing on some television show.
When I went to school in the early 70s, the NSA was recruiting civilian mathematicians. I went to a preliminary interview at that time. At the interview I was told that if I applied not only would my background be investigated, but also that of family members, friends, acquaintances, anyone I had ever met, and anyone I hadn't ever met. I didn't want to put others through it so I didn't apply.phoenix:\\ said:You guys are nasty. Those mathematicians are marines first, mathematicians second. Obviously there is a lot more thought placed in today's marine than what you are used to seeing on some television show.
Jimmy Snyder said:When I went to school in the early 70s, the NSA was recruiting civilian mathematicians. I went to a preliminary interview at that time. At the interview I was told that if I applied not only would my background be investigated, but also that of family members, friends, acquaintances, anyone I had ever met, and anyone I hadn't ever met. I didn't want to put others through it so I didn't apply.
wuliheron said:Because its Hollywood and they've even portrayed the CIA as defying the laws of physics.
phoenix:\\ said:Plenty of things have defied the laws of gravity are you willing to label them nonexistent as well?
You totally don't get it.phoenix:\\ said:Falsifiables require evidence of the false-hood of whatever is in question, and from what has been posted, not one person is mustering up evidence to back their statements.
I ask a second time. Make your case. Why do you think CIA might be as powerful as the movies make it out to be? Why would the CIA's power be different than Tom Cruise riding an exploding helicopter's shock wave to land on a bullet train?phoenix:
I do get it, you aren't exactly using "falsifiability" in the correct manner. They can prove the claims of movies of portrayal of the CIA wrong through their own data, yet they do not. In other words, proving that the depiction is incorrect, incorrect.
Can we be certain of any activity or operation the CIA is carrying out? They are a clandestine organization whose main strength lies in people not knowing what they are doing, so for people to claim they know is fallacious. No-one who isn't apart of the organization knows which should have been the answer given to the OP instead of, "no." Yet pitchforks and grenades seem to be targeted towards me because of some divergent opinion that isn't exactly agreeing with the movies.
I never claimed anything of the CIA being powerful or not. What I did was ask for proof of the claim of the CIA not being as powerful as the movies depict the organization to be because I am curious how people arrived at such conclusions with no evidence.
DaveC426913:
"...some divergent opinion..."
What divergent opinion? You haven't made any case.
"What I did was ask for proof...arrived at such conclusions with no evidence"
Have you ever heard the 'teapot orbIting near Jupiter' story? Or Carl Sagan's invisible dragon? The lesson is the same. There is no need to provide proof to refute something that has no compelling reason to exist in the first place. Occam's Razor. It is simply more likely that there is nothing to be said here. If you disagree YOU must make the case.
Here at CIA, most of the work we do is classified. And the work done in the Directorate of Science and Technology (DS&T) is no exception. In fact, the men and women—the scientists, engineers and technical experts—in the DS&T produce technology so advanced, it’s classified. Think back to a James Bond movie and the work developed by the “Q Branch.” What our men and women do is even more impressive.
The use of science and technology is critical to the intelligence process, and the DS&T’s mission is to attack intelligence problems with cutting-edge technical solutions to help protect the nation.
https://www.cia.gov/news-information/featured-story-archive/directorate-of-science-and-technology.html
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is a civilian foreign intelligence service of the United States government, tasked with gathering, analyzing, and disseminating intelligence to support national security objectives. Hollywood often portrays the CIA in movies and TV shows because of its secretive nature and involvement in international affairs, making it a popular subject for storytelling.
Hollywood often portrays the CIA as a powerful and secretive organization with advanced technology and highly skilled agents. They are often depicted as heroes, working to protect the country and thwarting threats from enemies.
While Hollywood's portrayal of the CIA may make for entertaining movies and TV shows, it is not always accurate. The agency's operations and methods are highly classified, so filmmakers often have to rely on speculation and creative license to depict them on screen. Additionally, the CIA is not always portrayed as accurately as other government agencies due to the lack of information available to the public.
One common misconception is that the CIA operates without any oversight or accountability. In reality, the agency is subject to numerous checks and balances from Congress, the President, and other government agencies. Another misconception is that the CIA is solely focused on espionage and covert operations, when in fact they also have many other roles and responsibilities such as analysis and intelligence gathering.
While there are certainly movies and TV shows that take creative liberties with the portrayal of the CIA, there are also some that strive for accuracy. For example, the TV series "The Americans" has been praised for its realistic portrayal of the agency and its operations during the Cold War. Additionally, the movie "Argo" has been praised for its accuracy in depicting the CIA's role in the rescue of American hostages in Iran.